There's a button called 'delete all points from curve' or somesuch that is available when you select a point on an automation curve.How do I delete an entire automation track? I can delete nodes, but uncertain about how to wipe out a whole track.
Newbie Questions
-
- KVRAF
- 4644 posts since 28 Nov, 2002 from Chicago
Someone shot the food. Remember: don't shoot food!
-
- KVRer
- 24 posts since 16 Jan, 2004 from Toronto
What's happening everyone.
Okay so I'm giving Tracktion a real check-out right now to see if I can use it in my studio. I'm coming over here from Cubase SX, which, after being a customer of theirs for over 10 years, I'm so absolutely disgusted and fed up with, I'm actively searching for alternatives now. Anyone who's seen Steinberg's message boards, tried to get technical support from them, or...who owns a remote controller (heh) knows exactly what I'm talking about. Steinberg (/Pinnacle) just doesn't know how to treat their customers.
So: Tracktion. Within 10 minutes of trying this proggy you realize, this is how it always should have been. I'm thoroughly impressed. So my final test for it, before I elect to buy, is to attempt to make 1 proper song with it. If possible, sold; if not, next! Fair enough I think.
Even though Tracktion is highly intuitive, for those of us who have been born and raised for years on other, less intuitive sequencers, some things are impossible to figure out. If anyone could help me out here, I'd be grateful:
So I have all my tracks recorded. There's about 30 of them. I have EQ'd all of them, set their levels and their pans. NOW I'd like to add effects and stuff.
So, where's the effects rack? heheh I know it doesn't have one, but, am I suuposed to drag an effects filter to each and every one of my 30 tracks? No computer in any studio in the world could handle 30 instances of a high-quality verb unit?! Surely there's some way to use just one effect instance for all the tracks that need it?
I'm sure I'm missing something, but like I said, I'm just too used to doing it the old way I can't figure it out.
I have tried this new "racks" thing, and just can't figure out how to use it. I put a verb in one of the racks, created four outputs (dry left/dry right, wet left/wet right), and ran two cables from each input: one going to the effect, one going to the dry out. And the outputs from the effect going to the wet outs. However, when I tried to use this rack filter on tracks, both the wet and the dry outs I had created were wet! I just don't get it.
Someone straighten me out here, please!
Thanks,
Suges
Okay so I'm giving Tracktion a real check-out right now to see if I can use it in my studio. I'm coming over here from Cubase SX, which, after being a customer of theirs for over 10 years, I'm so absolutely disgusted and fed up with, I'm actively searching for alternatives now. Anyone who's seen Steinberg's message boards, tried to get technical support from them, or...who owns a remote controller (heh) knows exactly what I'm talking about. Steinberg (/Pinnacle) just doesn't know how to treat their customers.
So: Tracktion. Within 10 minutes of trying this proggy you realize, this is how it always should have been. I'm thoroughly impressed. So my final test for it, before I elect to buy, is to attempt to make 1 proper song with it. If possible, sold; if not, next! Fair enough I think.
Even though Tracktion is highly intuitive, for those of us who have been born and raised for years on other, less intuitive sequencers, some things are impossible to figure out. If anyone could help me out here, I'd be grateful:
So I have all my tracks recorded. There's about 30 of them. I have EQ'd all of them, set their levels and their pans. NOW I'd like to add effects and stuff.
So, where's the effects rack? heheh I know it doesn't have one, but, am I suuposed to drag an effects filter to each and every one of my 30 tracks? No computer in any studio in the world could handle 30 instances of a high-quality verb unit?! Surely there's some way to use just one effect instance for all the tracks that need it?
I'm sure I'm missing something, but like I said, I'm just too used to doing it the old way I can't figure it out.
I have tried this new "racks" thing, and just can't figure out how to use it. I put a verb in one of the racks, created four outputs (dry left/dry right, wet left/wet right), and ran two cables from each input: one going to the effect, one going to the dry out. And the outputs from the effect going to the wet outs. However, when I tried to use this rack filter on tracks, both the wet and the dry outs I had created were wet! I just don't get it.
Someone straighten me out here, please!
Thanks,
Suges
-
- KVRAF
- 4644 posts since 28 Nov, 2002 from Chicago
The answer you are looking for *is* racks, but you have decided to test Tracktion just as they are being rolled out, so things aren't all working quite right yet.
The first thing to bear in mind is that you should stay on top of downloading updates for the next few weeks whilst racks mature.
The second is that there'll be a lot of noise on how to use them 'cos you aren't the only person trying to figure it all out, and things may change a little from version to version (at least for a few days to come).
Yes, we did use to load effects on to every track. It can be done because you can use the track output option to send a number of tracks into one track. This can take care of things like compression at least. Secondly you can make use of the track freeze to keep your head above water.
So in short, even without racks, it is doable; with racks you have everything you need, but don't expect everything to work 'just so' just yet...
The first thing to bear in mind is that you should stay on top of downloading updates for the next few weeks whilst racks mature.
The second is that there'll be a lot of noise on how to use them 'cos you aren't the only person trying to figure it all out, and things may change a little from version to version (at least for a few days to come).
Yes, we did use to load effects on to every track. It can be done because you can use the track output option to send a number of tracks into one track. This can take care of things like compression at least. Secondly you can make use of the track freeze to keep your head above water.
So in short, even without racks, it is doable; with racks you have everything you need, but don't expect everything to work 'just so' just yet...
Someone shot the food. Remember: don't shoot food!
-
- KVRer
- 24 posts since 16 Jan, 2004 from Toronto
Ahhhhh I see! That's why it wasn't making sense to me. Thanks for letting me know what's going on, I believe I'll have to wait till racks get sorted out before buying this, but I WILL be downloading each update as it comes along to check the progress.
It is like I read elsewhere on this board though: once these racks get sorted, Tracktion will truly be a world-class sequencer able to directly compete with the other Big Two. Mad props to Jules.
Oh and P.S.: When racks ARE finally done, can someone do an official guide/walkthrough/whatever on how to use them? I really found the ones on adbe.org and tracktionfaction.com useful. Thanks.
Suges
It is like I read elsewhere on this board though: once these racks get sorted, Tracktion will truly be a world-class sequencer able to directly compete with the other Big Two. Mad props to Jules.
Oh and P.S.: When racks ARE finally done, can someone do an official guide/walkthrough/whatever on how to use them? I really found the ones on adbe.org and tracktionfaction.com useful. Thanks.
Suges
-
- KVRAF
- 4644 posts since 28 Nov, 2002 from Chicago
I just started posting some new rack guides to adbe.org[1] and rustedmonkey is doing some nice guides over on TracktionFaction.com[2]. Hopefully this'll get you up and running.
[1] http://www.adbe.org/guides/tracktion/racks.html
[2] http://www.tracktionfaction.com/modules ... page&pid=1
[1] http://www.adbe.org/guides/tracktion/racks.html
[2] http://www.tracktionfaction.com/modules ... page&pid=1
Someone shot the food. Remember: don't shoot food!
-
- KVRAF
- 3002 posts since 24 Nov, 2003 from Heidelberg&Hamburg
Hi,
don't want to bore Jules so I ask here; bought Tracktion, like it this much
, got it running on PC, another one who started with the first song after 5 minutes . I typed the number for my laptop on Jules download-site too when purchasing, but registration naturally works only for the first (PC). No problem as I use the laptop only when abroad, every few weeks. But HOW do I get another registration as my laptop-number IS already there??? How to get the laptop-version running?
There are 2 numbers you can write down, so I did, so it would be stupid to ask for a NEW number, would it.... Anyone who could help me with this? The FAQ as I saw writes something about serial numbers which aren't no more, gone to meet their makers, etc.
.
Was a bit disappointed at first as I like to know BEFORE buying what I get, but what's that for a tiny little thingy compared to the wonderful TRACKTION
Any help would be most welcome, here or to georgfries@aol.com
all the best
"Kubsch"
don't want to bore Jules so I ask here; bought Tracktion, like it this much
, got it running on PC, another one who started with the first song after 5 minutes . I typed the number for my laptop on Jules download-site too when purchasing, but registration naturally works only for the first (PC). No problem as I use the laptop only when abroad, every few weeks. But HOW do I get another registration as my laptop-number IS already there??? How to get the laptop-version running? There are 2 numbers you can write down, so I did, so it would be stupid to ask for a NEW number, would it.... Anyone who could help me with this? The FAQ as I saw writes something about serial numbers which aren't no more, gone to meet their makers, etc.
. Was a bit disappointed at first as I like to know BEFORE buying what I get, but what's that for a tiny little thingy compared to the wonderful TRACKTION
Any help would be most welcome, here or to georgfries@aol.com
all the best
"Kubsch"
-
- KVRer
- 24 posts since 16 Jan, 2004 from Toronto
Deeply appreciated good sirs.
-
- KVRAF
- 4644 posts since 28 Nov, 2002 from Chicago
kubsch,
I'm not totally understanding you so this may or may not answer your question (if not my apologies):
You have two registration codes available with Tracktion. This means you can legally install your copy of Tracktion on two computers.
If you have a laptop and a desktop PC then you should get the machine ID from each and enter them into the two provided ID fields on the RMS site.
If you have already placed an ID in one of these that you did not wish to use, or you have upgraded a computer and need a new ID simply wait a few days and you'll be able to enter new IDs on the site.
I'm not totally understanding you so this may or may not answer your question (if not my apologies):
You have two registration codes available with Tracktion. This means you can legally install your copy of Tracktion on two computers.
If you have a laptop and a desktop PC then you should get the machine ID from each and enter them into the two provided ID fields on the RMS site.
If you have already placed an ID in one of these that you did not wish to use, or you have upgraded a computer and need a new ID simply wait a few days and you'll be able to enter new IDs on the site.
Someone shot the food. Remember: don't shoot food!
-
- KVRAF
- 3002 posts since 24 Nov, 2003 from Heidelberg&Hamburg
Valley,
hi, just read your racks-tutorial which is one of the best I ever read, even if I knew what racks are a pleasure to read... here in Germany I know talking about linear and non-linear only from deeply arrogant postmodern people which like to bash others so this is just fun! Whereas reading on I checked the thread here, thanks for the answer to my Newbie-question.
Well that's what I thought it would be. I HAVE the 2 numbers on Jules's page, but the laptop does not work with the key. The PC does. Thus I thought a second key would be necessary but naturally couldn't find it...
So I'll simply try again, installing Tracktion again on the laptop and trying the key. Number I typed at rawmaterial is correct, but I always got the message key doesn't seem for this machine.
Anyway,as I do not use the laptop veeery often it wouldn't be such a problem. Then if it would work i could use Tracktion when abroad too . I had done it "the hard way" using sequencers, for example using Massiva for the laptop, exporting midi-files and loading them to another program on the "real PC", now Tracktion or Orion. Works too, but using Tracktion and simply giving all and anything ready to the Real PC afterwards would be quite easier .
So thanks again, and now I go on reading your Tutorial. Highly recommended to anyone here, not only Newbies
Kubsch
hi, just read your racks-tutorial which is one of the best I ever read, even if I knew what racks are a pleasure to read... here in Germany I know talking about linear and non-linear only from deeply arrogant postmodern people which like to bash others
so this is just fun! Whereas reading on I checked the thread here, thanks for the answer to my Newbie-question. Well that's what I thought it would be. I HAVE the 2 numbers on Jules's page, but the laptop does not work with the key. The PC does. Thus I thought a second key would be necessary
but naturally couldn't find it... So I'll simply try again, installing Tracktion again on the laptop and trying the key. Number I typed at rawmaterial is correct, but I always got the message key doesn't seem for this machine.
Anyway,as I do not use the laptop veeery often it wouldn't be such a problem. Then if it would work i could use Tracktion when abroad too
. I had done it "the hard way" using sequencers, for example using Massiva for the laptop, exporting midi-files and loading them to another program on the "real PC", now Tracktion or Orion. Works too, but using Tracktion and simply giving all and anything ready to the Real PC afterwards would be quite easier .So thanks again, and now I go on reading your Tutorial. Highly recommended to anyone here, not only Newbies
Kubsch
-
- KVRer
- 24 posts since 16 Jan, 2004 from Toronto
As my Tracktion test continues, my last phase is to mix down a track in it.
This track has around 33 audio tracks all at 44.1 kHz/32-bit. I was actually showing Tracktion to a engineer friend, trying to convince him that there's "life after Logic" haha since it got discontinued on the PC. MOST UNFORTUNATELY, Tracktion started to mess up right infront of him!
It seemed as though it could handle mixing all these tracks at the same time! Even though the CPU percentage meter wasn't anywhere near 50%, the tracks were playing back out of sync with each other. Every time time that happened, I'd hit stop then play again, and it would be good for a few seconds then fall apart again!
Really confusing (and embarassing too, since I was telling all my pro buddies what a great proggy Tracktion is) since it doesn't do this if there are fewer tracks. And TRUST me, it ain't my computer. Mine's a monster, and easily runs 30 tracks in 96 kHz 32-bit on Cubase SX 2, the hog of all hogs. I double checked the settings, and all the right inputs and outputs are selected (as in, I disabled all inputs (since it was a mixdown), and only had the S/PDIF stereo pair outputs selected), latency was nice and low as usual.
Anyways, maybe someone wants to verify this? Or perhaps give me a few things to check on my setup.
This track has around 33 audio tracks all at 44.1 kHz/32-bit. I was actually showing Tracktion to a engineer friend, trying to convince him that there's "life after Logic" haha since it got discontinued on the PC. MOST UNFORTUNATELY, Tracktion started to mess up right infront of him!
It seemed as though it could handle mixing all these tracks at the same time! Even though the CPU percentage meter wasn't anywhere near 50%, the tracks were playing back out of sync with each other. Every time time that happened, I'd hit stop then play again, and it would be good for a few seconds then fall apart again!
Really confusing (and embarassing too, since I was telling all my pro buddies what a great proggy Tracktion is) since it doesn't do this if there are fewer tracks. And TRUST me, it ain't my computer. Mine's a monster, and easily runs 30 tracks in 96 kHz 32-bit on Cubase SX 2, the hog of all hogs. I double checked the settings, and all the right inputs and outputs are selected (as in, I disabled all inputs (since it was a mixdown), and only had the S/PDIF stereo pair outputs selected), latency was nice and low as usual.
Anyways, maybe someone wants to verify this? Or perhaps give me a few things to check on my setup.
-
- KVRAF
- 4644 posts since 28 Nov, 2002 from Chicago
I've run tracktion at way over thirty tracks (and my PC is hardly a monster) without too much grief. I've never run that many audio tracks though as I tend to use a lot of VSTis. I can't see why it would start getting out of sync, although there are a few quirky bugs hiding arounbd in Tracktion so it is possible.
question: where the tracks just getting out of sync or were they changing pitch. If they were getting out of sync, did they glitch (presumably there needs to be a period at which audio is either repeated or lost for a track to get out of sync)?
You weren't using racks were you? There is a bug in racks that causes tracks hosting racks to exhibit sync problems (specifically the rack introduces a delay into the signal).
Tracktion can be sensitive to fragmented harddrives - it is worth running a defrag over them. Also whack up the latency a little and try again. You can buffer underrun even without visibly maxing your CPU because the underrun is quick enough that the CPU meter doesn't measure the spike.
Final question: are you using a P4, or AMD processor? If P4, what effects were you using? A number of the mda ones included with Tracktion for example have really bad denormalisation problems.
Someone shot the food. Remember: don't shoot food!
-
- KVRer
- 24 posts since 16 Jan, 2004 from Toronto
Yeah the audio would drop out in some tracks (stutter, actually), then everything would go out of sync.
But actually you got it: I WAS using racks (for the first time, actually) trying to share a verb across multiple tracks. Guess that was it.
Just to cover all the bases: naturally my drive was de-fragmented...this is my studio computer and I produce and engineer for a living. I use an AMD and I was using a Waves verb. Yeah, I've heard that about those mda effects, that's why I avoid them like the plague! haha
That's really too bad about these racks not working properly. Seriously, how have you guys managed without them for so long? Does anybody here use Tracktion for professional studio use? If so, how do you guys go about using multiple effects on multiple tracks (say, on a 30-track project) without using racks and without blowing your processor away? Please let me know, I'd still like to use Tracktion if I could.
Thanks for the reply, valley!
Suges
But actually you got it: I WAS using racks (for the first time, actually) trying to share a verb across multiple tracks. Guess that was it.
Just to cover all the bases: naturally my drive was de-fragmented...this is my studio computer and I produce and engineer for a living. I use an AMD and I was using a Waves verb. Yeah, I've heard that about those mda effects, that's why I avoid them like the plague! haha
That's really too bad about these racks not working properly. Seriously, how have you guys managed without them for so long? Does anybody here use Tracktion for professional studio use? If so, how do you guys go about using multiple effects on multiple tracks (say, on a 30-track project) without using racks and without blowing your processor away? Please let me know, I'd still like to use Tracktion if I could.
Thanks for the reply, valley!
Suges
-
- KVRist
- 206 posts since 13 Mar, 2002 from Zagreb, Croatia
Hi Suges,
Im maybe the last person on this thread who is qualified to give you an right answer but Ill try anyway.
In case you want to route 30 tracks to one VST effect without using rack filters, you should do the following:
-route each and every track from 1-30 to say track 31 (you will see it at the bottom of the screen. change "default audio output" to track 31)
- put the VST effect to this track and voila, every track from 1 to 30 will be mixed together (according to thier respective volume filters) and then resulting mix will be sent to VST effect
hope this helps
Im maybe the last person on this thread who is qualified to give you an right answer but Ill try anyway.
In case you want to route 30 tracks to one VST effect without using rack filters, you should do the following:
-route each and every track from 1-30 to say track 31 (you will see it at the bottom of the screen. change "default audio output" to track 31)
- put the VST effect to this track and voila, every track from 1 to 30 will be mixed together (according to thier respective volume filters) and then resulting mix will be sent to VST effect
hope this helps
-
- KVRAF
- 4644 posts since 28 Nov, 2002 from Chicago
Robert is the primary 'real studio' guy round here I believe, and he seems to prefer Tracktion for his personal use but less so for the studio stuff.
For most people I'd guess 'freeze' has basically been the major workround for not having send effects. Ironically a lot of people are using Tracktion specifically for how much you *can* do on an underpowered machine. It isn't a good solution on a client's time though.
That's why there was so much noise about getting the rack filters out. The mac version pushed the original due date for racks back about five months and for a while that was an issue of some contention for a lot of PC users.
Tracktion is still largely a work in progress. It has a lot of promise and the basics are all good. There are a few bugs (but then I grew up using Cubase and I can't say that was always a painless experience either). There are a lot of shortcomings. For writing music there is little for me to touch it right now, but for mixing down huge projects? I don't know that it would be the first tool I'd turn to. It's a V1 app after all.
Regards the racks in particular, as I said previously - I suspect they are a few weeks away from being truly stable.
BTW: I know some of my questions were generic, but too many years doing forms of support has taught me never to leave the obvious unasked...
I'll try setting some audio tracks up tonight and see if I can replicate the drop outs sans rack filters...
For most people I'd guess 'freeze' has basically been the major workround for not having send effects. Ironically a lot of people are using Tracktion specifically for how much you *can* do on an underpowered machine. It isn't a good solution on a client's time though.
That's why there was so much noise about getting the rack filters out. The mac version pushed the original due date for racks back about five months and for a while that was an issue of some contention for a lot of PC users.
Tracktion is still largely a work in progress. It has a lot of promise and the basics are all good. There are a few bugs (but then I grew up using Cubase and I can't say that was always a painless experience either). There are a lot of shortcomings. For writing music there is little for me to touch it right now, but for mixing down huge projects? I don't know that it would be the first tool I'd turn to. It's a V1 app after all.
Regards the racks in particular, as I said previously - I suspect they are a few weeks away from being truly stable.
BTW: I know some of my questions were generic, but too many years doing forms of support has taught me never to leave the obvious unasked...
I'll try setting some audio tracks up tonight and see if I can replicate the drop outs sans rack filters...
Someone shot the food. Remember: don't shoot food!
-
- KVRer
- 24 posts since 16 Jan, 2004 from Toronto
To Luka2807:
Thanks! I never even thought of that. That works for me. Good looking out.
To Valley:
Ah I see. I've never even tried the freeze function, but you're right that's not such a good solution. A lot of times, you're building up a final mix, adding EQ and verb as you go...then you realize you have to go back to a previous track and adjust the verb a bit, and on and on. Haaving to freeze, then unfreeze, then freeze again would be quite ridiculous. I can see why racks were such big news.
I'm suprised Jules is even bothering to make a Mac version, with Logic 6, GarageBand, and even Cubase making an identical Mac SX 2 version. In a market already marginal (less than 10% of all installed computers in the world), and in a market where Apple itself seems to be picking off its 3rd party developers one-by-one by offering competing solutions in each discipline, AND with so much other 3rd party competition...why bother? Why not just keep us PC guys happy by adding the features we need, now? Truth told, if racks were 100% functional now I would have ALREADY purchased this program! And I'm saying this, owning a Mac and a PC in the studio. Anyone who thinks Macs are better for audio needs to pay a little less attention to Apple's dogma and just look at the hardware infront of them.
Yes, Cubase is NOTORIOUS for being a bug-ridden mess of bloatware. No matter how hard I try I just can't seem to get away from it, though. Logic? No thanks, same problems as Cubase, just a different interface. Sonar? I gave it a gruelling test and it FAILED. Again it's for home projects, not for prime time. For me it couldn't handle high-rez audio very well. Samplitude seemed very good at first, but as I was trying it out I realized...this is the hardest sequencer to use EVER! So anti-creative; even harder to use than Logic. I also tried all the "cute" ones like Orion, FL Studio, Project 5, and Reason, but they're optimized for dance music and electronica, and can't easily be used for other things. Actually I ended up buying Reason, though.
Tracktion seemed most promising but, like you said, it's still V1 and can't REALLY be used for prime-time yet. Unfortunately I've run out of time to test it and I must return, grudgingly, to Cubase SX 2 to get some work done. I will come back in a few months, because Tracktion is VERY promising, and I've spreada good buzz about it to all my pro buddies around here.
I would highly recommend to Jules that he just put the Mac version on pause for a minute and bring the Tracktion PC version totally up to speed. Look at the oppourtunity it has right now: not only is Mackie in love with it, Logic is gone, Steinberg just got bought by Pinnacle and you have a SEA of unhappy Cubase users with no technical support and no bugfixes (yeah, it's rally that bad over there). That's why more and more people are looking at Sonar and these other alternatives. Jules has to take this oppourtunity RIGHT NOW to "rescue" all the professional PC producers/engineers from being shat on (excuse the language) by Steinberg and Emagic/Apple. Just my two cents, shows that I actually care about Tracktion though!
Take it easy,
Suges
Thanks! I never even thought of that. That works for me. Good looking out.
To Valley:
Ah I see. I've never even tried the freeze function, but you're right that's not such a good solution. A lot of times, you're building up a final mix, adding EQ and verb as you go...then you realize you have to go back to a previous track and adjust the verb a bit, and on and on. Haaving to freeze, then unfreeze, then freeze again would be quite ridiculous. I can see why racks were such big news.
I'm suprised Jules is even bothering to make a Mac version, with Logic 6, GarageBand, and even Cubase making an identical Mac SX 2 version. In a market already marginal (less than 10% of all installed computers in the world), and in a market where Apple itself seems to be picking off its 3rd party developers one-by-one by offering competing solutions in each discipline, AND with so much other 3rd party competition...why bother? Why not just keep us PC guys happy by adding the features we need, now? Truth told, if racks were 100% functional now I would have ALREADY purchased this program! And I'm saying this, owning a Mac and a PC in the studio. Anyone who thinks Macs are better for audio needs to pay a little less attention to Apple's dogma and just look at the hardware infront of them.
Yes, Cubase is NOTORIOUS for being a bug-ridden mess of bloatware. No matter how hard I try I just can't seem to get away from it, though. Logic? No thanks, same problems as Cubase, just a different interface. Sonar? I gave it a gruelling test and it FAILED. Again it's for home projects, not for prime time. For me it couldn't handle high-rez audio very well. Samplitude seemed very good at first, but as I was trying it out I realized...this is the hardest sequencer to use EVER! So anti-creative; even harder to use than Logic. I also tried all the "cute" ones like Orion, FL Studio, Project 5, and Reason, but they're optimized for dance music and electronica, and can't easily be used for other things. Actually I ended up buying Reason, though.
Tracktion seemed most promising but, like you said, it's still V1 and can't REALLY be used for prime-time yet. Unfortunately I've run out of time to test it and I must return, grudgingly, to Cubase SX 2 to get some work done. I will come back in a few months, because Tracktion is VERY promising, and I've spreada good buzz about it to all my pro buddies around here.
I would highly recommend to Jules that he just put the Mac version on pause for a minute and bring the Tracktion PC version totally up to speed. Look at the oppourtunity it has right now: not only is Mackie in love with it, Logic is gone, Steinberg just got bought by Pinnacle and you have a SEA of unhappy Cubase users with no technical support and no bugfixes (yeah, it's rally that bad over there). That's why more and more people are looking at Sonar and these other alternatives. Jules has to take this oppourtunity RIGHT NOW to "rescue" all the professional PC producers/engineers from being shat on (excuse the language) by Steinberg and Emagic/Apple. Just my two cents, shows that I actually care about Tracktion though!
Take it easy,
Suges