Zebra misleadingly priced.

[zvenx]

I am very sorry but in my opinion this thread is beyond ridiculous. One single click on the buy now button reveals a 19% VAT (value added tax) which, by the way if you understand anything about taxation in your country or here in Europe, Urs has nothing to do with. This is quite standard practice when purchasing software from EU........

+1,000..
I have seen ridiculous threads on kvr before but this one must rank up there with them....jeez.
rsp

[eduardo_b]

I don't know how the system works fully, but the original intent of this was to hopefully get the BUY NOW price have a footnote stating price is exclusive of tax, then ppl wont feel mislead (Even if it is unintentional) Just makes for better feeling all round.

I sympathize with you on this. My experience with euros -- in person and online -- is that VAT is automatically included. There's no wondering if it is or isn't. If it's not, then it should be clearly noted with the price.

[xybre]

opinions are valid anywhere, nothing is ridiculous.

What?? I can give you 50 ridiculous opinions that people actually have just from a quick browse online.

Anyway, the opinion you have here isn't what is quite so ridiculous so much as the way you've broached the topic. A price in dollars is obviously not going to have a VAT, that should be painfully obvious.

By the way, 199 + 19% tax is 236.81. Not 260.
That is about 175.28 Euros according to current exchange rates.

[eduardo_b]

If you think that's bad, don't try to buy any downloads from Denmark.

I checked and it's 25 percent. Holy krones.

[LeVzi]

opinions are valid anywhere, nothing is ridiculous.

What?? I can give you 50 ridiculous opinions that people actually have just from a quick browse online.

Anyway, the opinion you have here isn't what is quite so ridiculous so much as the way you've broached the topic. A price in dollars is obviously not going to have a VAT, that should be painfully obvious.

By the way, 199 + 19% tax is 236.81. Not 260.
That is about 175.28 Euros according to current exchange rates.

I may not have put this correctly, but at least the point has been made, it would be a wise idea for not just this site but others to just have a small tab stating sales tax or vat is excluded in the final price.

The mathematics involved on my part are not accurate, I am not an accountant, but when something gains £27 you convert that to $

well it is 27.00 GBP = 41.7855 USD thats accurate, my guess was out. So you gain $40. But again thats not the issue, the issue is that it wasn't stated, so $199 isn't going to be the final price.

If you pay the sales tax of the country that sells it, in this case 19% , that means it's a flat rate for everyone correct ? So it is $240.

[LeVzi]

I am very sorry but in my opinion this thread is beyond ridiculous. One single click on the buy now button reveals a 19% VAT (value added tax) which, by the way if you understand anything about taxation in your country or here in Europe, Urs has nothing to do with. This is quite standard practice when purchasing software from EU........

+1,000..
I have seen ridiculous threads on kvr before but this one must rank up there with them....jeez.
rsp

Once again someone who should bring nothing but silence to any discussion. People can discuss things, and educate others, but small minded people such as yourself could learn to sit at the back and just say nothing.

[yellowfever]

I have seen ridiculous threads on kvr before but this one must rank up there with them....jeez.

what's ridiculous about it? about knowing the total price before you commit to buy? yeah, too ridiculous for words that is. Look, if I advertise something for sale, I have to show the TOTAL cost, so why shouldn't other people? I don't see how that is ridiculous? Not all of us are made of money.

[firepile]

If you pay the sales tax of the country that sells it, in this case 19% , that means it's a flat rate for everyone correct ?

You only have to pay VAT if you live in the EU.

[zvenx]

I am very sorry but in my opinion this thread is beyond ridiculous. One single click on the buy now button reveals a 19% VAT (value added tax) which, by the way if you understand anything about taxation in your country or here in Europe, Urs has nothing to do with. This is quite standard practice when purchasing software from EU........

+1,000..
I have seen ridiculous threads on kvr before but this one must rank up there with them....jeez.
rsp

Once again someone who should bring nothing but silence to any discussion. People can discuss things, and educate others, but small minded people such as yourself could learn to sit at the back and just say nothing.

no I have my opinion and will state it.
if you don't want dissenters have the conversation with your family and loved ones not on a forum such like this.
rsp

[snigelx]

I have seen ridiculous threads on kvr before but this one must rank up there with them....jeez.

what's ridiculous about it? about knowing the total price before you commit to buy? yeah, too ridiculous for words that is. Look, if I advertise something for sale, I have to show the TOTAL cost, so why shouldn't other people? I don't see how that is ridiculous? Not all of us are made of money.

It -does- show the price (quite clearly) in USD with that little $ sign. Those purchasing from the states do not have the VAT taxation, therefore the price is stated absolutely correct in American Dollars. Had the price stated "£199" or with Euro then there would be grounds for argument if there was a VAT added afterward, however this is not the case. Speaking of case, I thought this case was wrapped up.

[zvenx]

I have seen ridiculous threads on kvr before but this one must rank up there with them....jeez.

what's ridiculous about it? about knowing the total price before you commit to buy? yeah, too ridiculous for words that is. Look, if I advertise something for sale, I have to show the TOTAL cost, so why shouldn't other people? I don't see how that is ridiculous? Not all of us are made of money.

so if you go to a website to buy something you expect them to advertise and give you the total price including any taxes and shipping on the front page?
don't know where you shop. but all my life of internet, I put it in my cart, see any taxes that become applicable and any shipping that is applicable.....that's how it has always worked for me...dont' know where you shop.
rsp

[elxsound]

I have seen ridiculous threads on kvr before but this one must rank up there with them....jeez.

what's ridiculous about it? about knowing the total price before you commit to buy? yeah, too ridiculous for words that is. Look, if I advertise something for sale, I have to show the TOTAL cost, so why shouldn't other people? I don't see how that is ridiculous? Not all of us are made of money.

He does show the total price for what he is charging. VAT depends on where you are located.

You do know the total price including VAT (if it even applies, which for me it doesn't) BEFORE you purchase. One Click on the Buy Now image directs you to what you will need to pay BEFORE you have purchased.

The US does not require VAT and the price is in US Dollars... so again, it doesn't make sense to INCLUDE VAT in the price.

This is not misleading, it's just assumptive that VAT would not be included even though you would think people would be used to paying VAT since it is required for those that live in countries apart of the European Union and then buy products sold from places in the European Union.

What would be helpful is a small message (VAT not included), but too be honest it's not necessary except for a few that feel the need argue beyond the knowledge that there is a way to get the product they SOOOooo desire for even less than what they saved for in the first place INCLUDING having to pay VAT. Now that to me is ridiculous, but entertaining none the less.

[mcnoone]

What's stupid about this thread, is it belongs in off topic, as it would have to apply to many companies who don't show the vat tax.
It wouldn't be a bad topic for off topic, but for a "specific" company forum, it is.
You should have the mods move it to off topic, and change the title to (suggestion only)
VAT Tax...WTF?

[eduardo_b]

What's stupid about this thread, is it belongs in off topic, as it would have to apply to many companies who don't show the vat tax.
It wouldn't be a bad topic for off topic, but for a "specific" company forum, it is.
You should have the mods move it to off topic, and change the title to (suggestion only)
VAT Tax...WTF?

Well I suppose we could start arguing this instead.

I pretty much avoid off topic unless the topic is itself pretty damn good. This one would definitely qualify.

Nice proposed thread title by the way...you've clearly been here for a while.

[thecontrolcentre]

And Urs is self employed, so technically he could claim his back too.

You can only claim back VAT on items that you have paid for as part of your own (business related) expenses. The VAT charged on sales goes to the government, and cannot be claimed back.