Sold Sylenth1 after getting Zebra

[Urs]

Must have to do with that Discrete Component Analog Modelling

Hmmm, I thought they had done that too?

[elxsound]

if you need vintage sounds get Synthsquad.

I prefer this for vintage sounds. And it doesn't break the bank either.

When ACE can do this let me know so I can buy it.

You already have a synth that can do that... Why would you want another that duplicates it??

Because he knows he is missing out on all the fun of being a U-he instrument owner!

[djanthonyw]

Because he knows he is missing out on all the fun of being a U-he instrument owner!

To be honest I like everything about Urs' products (GUI's are amazing!) and customer service, I just don't vibe with the sound and no, I'm not looking for another synth that can do the same sound. ACE was just mentioned for vintage sound and I don't think anything in software can sound more vintage "analog" than Synth Squad.

[elxsound]

I think the best part of discussions on comparing ACE to anything is knowing that this is just the introductory synth!

I would love to own Ace despite the CPU hits on my aging system. I have tried the draft mode and it really did alleviate most of the hit. So, as soon as I've purchased an engagement ring for the GF, and a new computer for me, this will be one of the first things on my list to purchase.

I really don't understand all the complaints about the CPU usage. From reading all the user feedback and reviews (including the recent 10/10 in Computer Music Magazine), I find it hard to fault the push to utilize newer technology.

I strongly get the feeling that this is really just the beginning of things to expect from a lot of developers. These so called "modern" computers are also becoming more affordable, so I guess it's just time for everyone to start counting pennies and save for a new system. At least that's what I'll be doing (well, ring first, then new system).

[Urs]

Because he knows he is missing out on all the fun of being a U-he instrument owner!

To be honest I like everything about Urs' products (GUI's are amazing!) and customer service, I just don't vibe with the sound and no, I'm not looking for another synth that can do the same sound. ACE was just mentioned for vintage sound and I don't think anything in software can sound more vintage "analog" than Synth Squad.

Possibly.

The agenda for ACE wasn't analogue sound per se but being able to do things that analogue gear excells in (no difference between audio rate and control rate). And in that respect tbh I don't think anything comes close.

[elxsound]

Because he knows he is missing out on all the fun of being a U-he instrument owner!

To be honest I like everything about Urs' products (GUI's are amazing!) and customer service, I just don't vibe with the sound and no, I'm not looking for another synth that can do the same sound. ACE was just mentioned for vintage sound and I don't think anything in software can sound more vintage "analog" than Synth Squad.

I won't dare step into a real argument of what sounds analog, as my experience with analog synths is extremely limited (almost no experience), but none the less I also keep reading comments that not every analog synth sounded the same, so is it possible they both sound almost analog, but just different?

Anyway, really just a question... While on the subject, Synth Squad is another CPU taxing device (or so I've read), so maybe this is just the compromise users have to make in order to get versatility as well as that sought after analog sound (aka "the holy grail" per musicradar.com).

But yes... amazing GUI's and great customer service!

[Urs]

I think the best part of discussions on comparing ACE to anything is knowing that this is just the introductory synth!

Well, it's rather part of an evil plot. ACE prepares the world of KVR for Berlin Modular, and anyone who "gets" ACE will feel the urge to upgrade later...

On a serious note, once BM is out we will have the same arguments over and over again and again. Which is fair enough - everyone shall have his own taste and opinion. I don't really care to please each and everyone, I'm happy to please the tiny yet growing bunch of people that know and love my stuff. That "attitude" guarantees originality, and that's more important than avoiding discussions.

Urs

[justin3am]

The agenda for ACE wasn't analogue sound per se but being able to do things that analogue gear excells in (no difference between audio rate and control rate). And in that respect tbh I don't think anything comes close.

I agree here. For this reason, I'm much more excited about what I can do with Bazille than even what ACE is capable of. I can't wait to hear what the circuit bending options will be like on that one.

[Zergling]

Must have to do with that Discrete Component Analog Modelling

Hmmm, I thought they had done that too?

Fxpansion programmed their own Component Modelling Technology like Korg did with the KLAE07 package. So im thinking thats what is really making strobe sound more analog than ACE. Don't get me wrong ACE is a good synth, and can probably make more sounds than Strobe can due to the Modular approach. Yet the filter and stuff sound really amazing on strobe and i think it has to do with the DCAM tech they programmed.

[abstractcats]

I think the best part of discussions on comparing ACE to anything is knowing that this is just the introductory synth!

Well, it's rather part of an evil plot. ACE prepares the world of KVR for Berlin Modular, and anyone who "gets" ACE will feel the urge to upgrade later...

On a serious note, once BM is out we will have the same arguments over and over again and again. Which is fair enough - everyone shall have his own taste and opinion. I don't really care to please each and everyone, I'm happy to please the tiny yet growing bunch of people that know and love my stuff. That "attitude" guarantees originality, and that's more important than avoiding discussions.

Urs

By the way, any idea of the price for MB?

[pdxindy]

Because he knows he is missing out on all the fun of being a U-he instrument owner!

To be honest I like everything about Urs' products (GUI's are amazing!) and customer service, I just don't vibe with the sound and no, I'm not looking for another synth that can do the same sound. ACE was just mentioned for vintage sound and I don't think anything in software can sound more vintage "analog" than Synth Squad.

In your opinion... plenty of people have a differing opinion. I don't think you would find a definitive viewpoint one way or the other.

There is stuff ACE can do that Synth Squad just cannot. And the reverse too of course. For audio rate madness, ACE is very impressive. I hear a kind of clarity on fast modulations that other synths get kinda muddy... even synth squad.

But use what you like the sound of.

[abstractcats]

Because he knows he is missing out on all the fun of being a U-he instrument owner!

To be honest I like everything about Urs' products (GUI's are amazing!) and customer service, I just don't vibe with the sound and no, I'm not looking for another synth that can do the same sound. ACE was just mentioned for vintage sound and I don't think anything in software can sound more vintage "analog" than Synth Squad.

In your opinion... plenty of people have a differing opinion. I don't think you would find a definitive viewpoint one way or the other.

There is stuff ACE can do that Synth Squad just cannot. And the reverse too of course. For audio rate madness, ACE is very impressive. I hear a kind of clarity on fast modulations that other synths get kinda muddy... even synth squad.

But use what you like the sound of.

I agree, each synth seems to have its own personality, I have bought some great stuff over the last six months and I love each one for various reasons.

My list includes,

Zebra

Alchemy

Helix

M42 Nebula

Czynthia

Reaktor

Black Magik...

Among others..
to many vsts one might ask?? I just love working with the things and I'm learning sound deign and many (including some freeware) have something to offer.

[Zergling]

lets hear it bud!

http://www.sendspace.com/file/fmo1ch

14 minutes of filter fiddling using Strobe.

[Urs]

Must have to do with that Discrete Component Analog Modelling

Hmmm, I thought they had done that too?

Fxpansion programmed their own Component Modelling Technology like Korg did with the KLAE07 package. So im thinking thats what is really making strobe sound more analog than ACE. Don't get me wrong ACE is a good synth, and can probably make more sounds than Strobe can due to the Modular approach. Yet the filter and stuff sound really amazing on strobe and i think it has to do with the DCAM tech they programmed.

KLAE uses wavetables (sampled from the original hardware) and isn't all that component modelled after all. The filters are to die for though.

ACE does provide for strictly clean tuning because there's a huge community of people out there who do microtuning, and they dispise softsynths that go out of tune even a few cents. There are however means in ACE that let you do analogue style out-of-tune patches, as explained in the manual. And that is really what "analogue" is: Random out-of-tuneness of oscillators and filter coefficients that slowly eveolve over time and differ from voice to voice. Other than that, analogue is more precise than digital, and I'm sure that ACE is as precise as it currently gets.

Urs

[Urs]

14 minutes of filter fiddling using Strobe.

That's even longer than any YouTube Shred Video then.