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[rob_lee]

Just found this picture from Musikmesse 2000:



and some Blofeld videos with Wolfram:

Here's a video from that same year Messe 2000..I was invited this year but couldn't make it but next year im there:

From Dr Georg Muller @ Waldorf user forum


Names to faces in video:

0:05 Holger Steinbrink (Tsching)
0:07 Jörg Hüttner
0:15 Frank Schneider, Wolfram Franke
0:18 Wolfram Franke
0:24 Jörg Hüttner
0:35 Ex-Girlfriend of Frank Schneider
0:40 Claudia Nähring (left, former adiministrative assistant Waldorf),
Philipp Dahlhausen (standing, left, Waldorf Production)
0:41 Waldorf User
0:44 Holger Steinbrink (Tsching)
0:47 Wolfram Franke
0:49 Waldorf User
0:55 Jörg Hüttner
1:02 Visitor
1:04 Holger Steinbrink (Tsching)
1:07 Visitor
1:25 Visitor
1:39 Dirk Krause (Musiker, Waldorf Sounddesigner)
1:50 Holger Steinbrink (Tsching), Kurt "Lu" Wangard, Mike Caroll
1:54 Visitor
1:57 Visitor
2:06 Georg Müller (Beta-Tester)
2:08 Dirk Krause
2:11 Stefan Stenzel, Evi Carroll, Gunther Gräfe (TSI Repräsentant)
2:13 Püppi and Ex-Husband
2:16 Mike Caroll
2:24 Tsching and his thing
2:28 Jörg Hüttner, Dirk Krause
2:34 Wolfram Franke
2:36 Claudia Nähring
2:38 Philipp Dahlhausen
2:39 Martin Neideck (Waldorf Produktion, Purchasing)
2:40 Thomas "Tommy" Kircher (Hardware Design), Mike Carroll
2:44 Kurt "Lu" Wangard, Salesguy PPV Verlag
2:53 Albert Huitsing, Albert's wife, Werner Kramer (TSI, Produktion),
very left Florian Gypser (Waldorf Production)
2:56 Visitor
2:59 Holger Steinbrink (Tsching), in the background Jörg Hüttner,
Dirk Krause and Henry Stamerjohann (Steinberg)
3:01 Thomas "Tommy" Kircher, Visitor
3:04 Wolfgang Düren (from the back), Visitor

Rob

[chilln]

and making silly business decisions for their mass products like not offering an update path for v.2 owners...

[taking a deep breath again]

...so, no money from me and no soup for you!

Indeed. (High-five)

[Ingonator]

So what does 3.V improve from the 2.V emulation?

If you understand german you'll get all from the video but i'll not try to translate the whole thing.
Basically Wolfram "just" tried to emulate the PPG Wave as close as possible including all Lofi elements like alialising etc. The OScs use around 3x the processing power for a proper simulation. Even the clicks when sweeping through a PPG wavetables are simulated. The Te Largo wavetables are smoother so no clicks are produced there.
The synth also contains the PPG waveterm B now which means you get a Lofi sampler with the original specs. This means usually only a single sample but you can get multisamples with 8 tuimes multimode and assigning keyzones.

For the synth and the waveterm a new browser is implemented and the synth will be multitimbral lke the waveterm.

As a conclusion this means we'll get an (more) authentic emulation of the PPg Wave 2 and a Waveterm B. When the old version was released the CPU power was too small for doing a proper emulation like this.
And of course we'll get some nice new patches including some from Rob Lee i guess.

I hope i gave a proper summary of the video...


And finally we'll get a version which will run on modern OS sine the Waldorf Edition has problems with e.g. Windows 7.

[chilln]

And the upgrade path: NONE!

You have to buy it "new" rather than upgrade from the old Steinberg Edition. Boo-yaa!

Maybe if we bitch enough about it, they'll change their minds? Or we persuade them to do a groupbuy!

They've had a long time to do this; to make it right with Steinbug customers (i.e give us the damn bug fix update!). I'm not purchasing, again. I'm salty.

[paladium]

Hopefully the sound will be more accurate, yay!

Digital Wavetables can be emulated perfectly because the original PPG is a Digital Synth. 2.V has already achieved that.

Wrong the original is hybrid ,its 40 percent digital and 60 analog ,
the enveloppes , filters ,amplifiers are pure analog only the oscillators are
digital , that is the 'only ' thing that is exact in the software namely the
wavetables are exact eprom readouts of the original 2400 waveform cycles
and bitreduced emulation doesnt sound the same either as opposed to playing through real 8 or 12 bit dacs, here is a real ppg owner talking so you better take it as correct , its interesting to know how close they can come
, v2 captured about 50 percent aproxximation how a real ppg sounds

[electro]

So what does 3.V improve from the 2.V emulation?

If you understand german you'll get all from the video but i'll not try to translate the whole thing.
Basically Wolfram "just" tried to emulate the PPG Wave as close as possible including all Lofi elements like alialising etc. The OScs use around 3x the processing power for a proper simulation. Even the clicks when sweeping through a PPG wavetables are simulated. The Te Largo wavetables are smoother so no clicks are produced there.

Good to hear.

[rob_lee]

From user forum just posted:

New is that it Includes a Waveterm B
The Aliasing is Chooseable from 2.2 Aliasing or 2.3 Aliasing
Its got a 8 part Multimode with 6 Effects (EQ Overdrive Phaser Chorus Delay
Reverb) and Sampler function (Waveterm lofi Sampling)

Rob

[lung]

I will buy this if it sounds authentic. Love that they included the sampling features.

[penguinfromdeep]

Digital Wavetables can be emulated perfectly because the original PPG is a Digital Synth. 2.V has already achieved that.

Read Ingonators post just above, 2.v was not a perfect emulation .. Not at all!!! Lots of things come to play, and it had analogue filters after all you know. Even aliasing can be modeled after the original one and it uses a lot of cpu cycles!! Now the cpus are ready for it.

[Ingonator]

Digital Wavetables can be emulated perfectly because the original PPG is a Digital Synth. 2.V has already achieved that.

Read Ingonators post just above, 2.v was not a perfect emulation .. Not at all!!! Lots of things come to play, and it had analogue filters after all you know. Even aliasing can be modeled after the original one and it uses a lot of cpu cycles!! Now the cpus are ready for it.

Agreed. If it would be as good as Wolfram seems to imply this could become a "legend" along softsynths since the PPG sound seems to be as popular as in the time when the original synth was released.
And based on history my personal feeling is that this task should be up to Waldorf and no other company since they are more or less the official successors to the PPG company.

BTW if you want to hear a real PPG until PPg 3.V is released you try the sample set from Hollow Sun...



UPDATE:
I just reinstalled the Waldorf Edition LE from the Largo CD on Windows 7 32-bit and this time PPG Wave 2.V seems to run. Very strange since it refused to produce any sound in the attempts before.
In the time i tried to reprogram PPG patches on LArgo i was working on Vista and had no problems there. On the other hand for me this was the first plugin producing such problems on Windows 7.

[Prunesquallor]

This release is great news! So that's why Largo didn't get a PPG filter...

The Aliasing is Chooseable from 2.2 Aliasing or 2.3 Aliasing. Rob

I hope there's an option for no aliasing as well.

[Ingonator]

This release is great news! So that's why Largo didn't get a PPG filter...

The Aliasing is Chooseable from 2.2 Aliasing or 2.3 Aliasing. Rob

I hope there's an option for no aliasing as well.

As i understood it in the video this will be an option. You could choose between PPG 2.2, PPG 2.3 and no alialising which is like the "True PPG" mode in PPG 2.V i guess.

BTW it's worth checkin the Waldorf forum from time to time:
http://www.waldorf-forum.com/pipermail/ ... /date.html

http://www.waldorf-forum.com/pipermail/user-forum/

[paladium]

This release is great news! So that's why Largo didn't get a PPG filter...

there is no such thing as a ppg filter , its analog filter was a solid state music chip , similar to those in korg's polysix or prophet 5 rev 2, ppg's own modelled filter were only implied on their modular systems , the 1009, sonic carrier and the 340

[Ingonator]

This release is great news! So that's why Largo didn't get a PPG filter...

there is no such thing as a ppg filter , its analog filter was a solid state music chip , similar to those in korg's polysix or prophet 5 rev 2, ppg's own modelled filter were only implied on their modular systems , the 1009, sonic carrier and the 340

I guess most people know this but it's called "PPG filter" in most Waldorf hardware synths..

PS: For those people who don't know it so far this could be interesting too:
http://www.hermannseib.com/english/synt ... avesim.htm

[paladium]

The Aliasing is Chooseable from 2.2 Aliasing or 2.3 Aliasing. Rob

Ingonator
I hope there's an option for no aliasing as well.[/quote]
As i understood it in the video this will be an option. You could choose between PPG 2.2, PPG 2.3 and no alialising which is like the "True PPG" mode in PPG 2.V i guess.

[/quote]

the original 2.3 (1983-84)had 2 modes , 2.2 (not multitimbral) and 2.3 mode multitimbral , both ran through a 12 bit dac so no change in sound,
the
original 2.2 (1982)was 8 bit , so the software v3 will simulate between 8 bit dac and 12 bit dac, but then again it wont have the true sound since here bitreducing is only simulated , i am sure however it will improve on true to live sound compared with software v2, i suspect they will not have included a full waveterm either, what they will have done is simulate the 2.3 ram bank access modes were a sample is played in a linear fashion out of ram compared to
wavetable sequencing , the real waveterm lets you combine these to make new wavetables or draw new single cycles to become part of a new full wavetable (thats how advanced the system was in 84)