MStereo

[Igro]

Hello Melda! Just want to ask how MStereo works. Does it need a stereo source as input or it can handle mono input as well? I'm ask, because this plugin(streoizer 1.1b) can widen mono input as well and also have mono compability(not disappear in mono). This is the only such plugin i know and no one made anything similar. Kinda hybrid between mid/side and something else.

Here is the thread for this plugin(download links don't work unfortunately):
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/printview ... 27&start=0

There is also chorus added, but i don't use it. Anyway, it make so wide any mono source.

I'm at work now, so can't demo you plugin, but i do later today.

[MeldaProduction]

Hi there,

well, it's designed for stereo sources to manage stereo field. However you can use delayed widening to get more stereo field even from mono sources. It is not completely mono compatible (it induces some combing, as any delay), but it depends on your audio. If you send me the plugin you were referring to, I can check what it does, but honestly so far I have seen no good mono to stereo expansion, which would not induce combs or frequency deteriorations.

Cheers!

[Igro]

Hi there,

well, it's designed for stereo sources to manage stereo field. However you can use delayed widening to get more stereo field even from mono sources. It is not completely mono compatible (it induces some combing, as any delay), but it depends on your audio. If you send me the plugin you were referring to, I can check what it does, but honestly so far I have seen no good mono to stereo expansion, which would not induce combs or frequency deteriorations.

Cheers!

Ok, i will upload this plugin later today. I think you will be disappointed(cos it doesn't use any delay). It has dry signal(which stay in mono and two inverted signals and something else, cos it can work with mono source)

Added: just let you know, that it's still need stereo input, but without needing to be left and right channels be different. They can be identical.
With mid/side, left and right should be different to get widening effect after.

[MeldaProduction]

Oukey doukey, let me know, where I can get it .

[Igro]

Here you go Vojtech :
Download Stereoizer - mono compatible.dll for free on uploading.com

[MeldaProduction]

It does pretty much what I thought - probably using some modulated delays it creates ripples in both channels with opposite polarity, so when put together the ripples cancel each other (mono-compatibility).

In other words, imagine equalizer on each channel with several peak filters going up and down.

It actually does not sound too bad on monitors, but on headphones it becomes really weird. The trouble is, when you put something through it, it passes some frequencies to the left ear and others to the right one. The transition itself sounds pretty artificial, but the worst part is, that if you are unlucky enough, the sound you are using may completely get to one ear or another, or even changing. I tried a drumloop, and it was like some parts of the snare drum are on the left, some on the right and bass drum was completely on one side, because of the lower resolution in bass frequencies.

I guess it may be useful for some things, but it should be used with care (I mean not default 90 degrees, but rather up to 20) and only on some sounds, rather background ones. Otherwise I would go for a reverb, delay, chorus or something like that, which may be not mono compatible, but the results on stereo are usually much natural.

[Igro]

It does pretty much what I thought - probably using some modulated delays it creates ripples in both channels with opposite polarity, so when put together the ripples cancel each other (mono-compatibility).

In other words, imagine equalizer on each channel with several peak filters going up and down.

It actually does not sound too bad on monitors, but on headphones it becomes really weird. The trouble is, when you put something through it, it passes some frequencies to the left ear and others to the right one. The transition itself sounds pretty artificial, but the worst part is, that if you are unlucky enough, the sound you are using may completely get to one ear or another, or even changing. I tried a drumloop, and it was like some parts of the snare drum are on the left, some on the right and bass drum was completely on one side, because of the lower resolution in bass frequencies.

I guess it may be useful for some things, but it should be used with care (I mean not default 90 degrees, but rather up to 20) and only on some sounds, rather background ones. Otherwise I would go for a reverb, delay, chorus or something like that, which may be not mono compatible, but the results on stereo are usually much natural.

Did you try it without chorus(with zero rate and depth)? I use it without chorus, cos otherwise it exactly doing what you have just explained. If you don't use them, then i think you don't find this jumping from one channel to another.

However, i will download your plugin now and see. It's really pity, that it needs different sound on left and right channel. Sure it has delay which can do this...

[MeldaProduction]

Sure I did. With the LFO it is really like a bad bad chorus. But it still does what I said. It can jump between channels if you for example just play some slide. It may be really fun to use it on a typical hiphop lead sliding from one tone to another .

No really, I think it can be used creatively, but it's not any kind of universal solution for stereoizing mono sounds. I think it would destroy any acoustic sound.
MStereoProcessor is mostly used for managing stereo field, especially during mastering. I usually use it to improve the width, but not to add any artificial.