Ultimate Studio Drums II: The Sequel - GB Discussion Thread

[sergiobklyn]

The Drum Doc RGS kit is missing a number of cymbals that are listed in GM mode.

And the RGC is missing a couple of toms too.

Serge

[cain]

i just downloaded all the files for from my download area, my question now is there a pdf on how to install this , just really confusing

[strangechild]

One question about the MT kits. Maybe it's more of a Kontakt 4 question: Is it possible to solo the OH, ROOM, and MISC outputs?

Two ways to explore:
a) In Kontakt: display the Mixer, make sure that each drum kit piece is routed to its own Mixer channel (create them if needed) and drop the faders on the other Mixer channels,

Uh, I meant a solo button. Give me some credit.

b) In Kontakt, , route each Mixer channel to a different VSTi audio output; in your host route the VSTi audio outputs to different audio tracks, then you can solo the ones you want in your host.

Bingo! I should have thought of that. Not that I know how to do that yet.

This thread was done for Drum Masters 1 but much of it is still relevant:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=243170
and there is good info here too:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=277554

And this should help:
http://www.native-instruments.com/forum ... hp?t=96758

Great! Very helpful. Thanks so much.

A question for anyone: Does the paid version of Kontakt have solos on the mixer's outputs?

Thanks!

[Chester Desmond]

No mutes or solos on the mixer channels.

[roundabout71]

Bruford skin/TGA reference issue fixed if you want to redownload and install the Phase 2 Patch zip. A simple drag and drop will replace it and it will work.

Okay, the Multitrack kits have been updated. You just have to redownload the Multitrack kits you chose is the only thing... sorry about that. Harder to update those with a global patch update since each person has a different choice. But they've been updated with subtle fixes (and Motown kit references samples correctly).

I am going to get something to eat... Brazilian. I'll be back a few pounds later.

Hey Squids! I have a really good blond joke pertaining to Brazilian, if you are interested.
I requested a tech support from Allen, but did not hear back from him. I know he's extremely busy right now, and I've already told me to put me on the back burner until the group buy is finished up and everybody's taken care of. I just wanted to know if I can opt for the Dvd option, and have you toss it in the box with the Epik Drums Dvd?
Thanks,
Roundabout71

[strangechild]

No mutes or solos on the mixer channels.

Thank you.

[Squids]

you will be LOVING things like tom slots and cymbal slots...

I have to say that I fell in love with this feature the other night. I didn't really know what it was useful for until I used it (maybe not even the intended use for it).
I was playing my e-kit (which has 6 toms) and loaded up a kit with only 3 toms which ended up being mapped to the last 3 toms of my e-kit. Leaving 3 dead ones to skip over whenever I wanted to do a fill. By flipping each tom to a lower 'slot' (ie from slots 4,5,6 to slots 1,2,3) I was able to move them to the first 3 hardware toms very quickly. Very slick!

As nice as that feature is, I then realized I could leave the toms where they were and just load roto-toms into the first 3 pads and I had to visit the bathroom for a few minutes.

Yep! You got it. That is exactly what those slots are for! So you can just slot in the whole tom with all its articulations set up and everything... but instead of having to load different mapped versions it essentially has FOUR V-Drum map options, 6 GM map options ready to go by just selecting the slot you want it to be in... it couldn't be FASTER to move things around in Kontakt! I love this feature too... again another one for being able to create your OWN custom hybrid kits or layouts. Since we all have different taste and set ups this is IDEAL to learn how to do this but while some can't wait for us to show this on video... all you have to do is also grab it and do it. The results are instant. On GM the only non-intuitive but powerful feature there is the "Set Articulation"... I actually wanted that to default to Center but you actually have to "set it" sometimes to either Center or Rim... not a big deal but some people scratch their heads on that one understandably... but then again, it is COOL that you can choose center or rim so that you can decide to make a GM kit that has 3 toms but with center AND rim (load it twice and set one to center and one to rim - each assigned to adjacent slots). That is not something you can usually do in GM so it is nice to be able to spruce GM up a bit with some more expression.

Anyway, back to V-Drums, so you have the 4 tom slots but for your AUX inputs of your V-Drum you can assign CUSTOM midi learn toms or percussion or anything else... oh yeah, we have Signature Percussion coming soon by the way! A GREAT add on to this.

[Squids]

No mutes or solos on the mixer channels.

I've been asking NI for this for ages. Feel free to bug them about it! I want it too.

[Squids]

i just downloaded all the files for from my download area, my question now is there a pdf on how to install this , just really confusing

There is. It is a Quick Start Guide that tells you exactly how to install everything. It comes with the Infinite Player installer. You unzip that first because you'll need all of the contents and that guide to get going. But then, as it says in the guide, do NOT unzip the kit samples and patches. Those you drag and drop onto the Infinite Library Installer (which comes with the Infinite Player installer) and follow the directions.

For convenience, this quick start guide is in the news section of your member's area of esoundz as well.

[Squids]

Well, unfortunately, I still seem to be having some issues.

I have not gone through all of the kits yet, as I got home from work late and pretty much have to dive into bed...

But...The Bill Bruford kit in GM mode has no toms samples

The Drum Doc RGS kit is missing a number of cymbals that are listed in GM mode.

My guess is that there are others that I haven't found yet, but that will be similar to these issues.

In IMAP mode, the Bruford kit DOES appear to have the toms.

I have re-downloaded the phase 2 patches and installed them via the IP installer.

Oddly, I'm pretty sure the Bruford kit worked last night before I redownloaded and installed the new patches.

Suggestions anyone?

For GM there are two things that have to be done (that should have been by default - but the Bruford kit patch had to be rebuilt with the encryption intact so it didn't play in demo mode so that is why it was there set before and not now).

We'll set it and re-upload it today. However, it is actually good for you to know how to do it as it is super simple and an actual great FEATURE of the product!

Speaking of GM mode, the toms AND cymbals have the ability to be assigned to "slots". These are positions on the keyboard. They're all loaded but in the case of the Bruford kit the toms need to be set to a slot and the articulation you want for it chosen. To do that takes about 10 seconds. In the MAPPING page of each tom you have a "SLOTS" in the top middle with a drop down. Set each of the 6 toms to slot 1-6 respectively. (one tom to slot 1, another to slot 2 etc.). Then you have to hit "Set Articulation" in order to be able to choose whether you want it to be a CENTER hit or a RIM hit... this is actually a very NICE feature to be able to choose this! Normally not something you get in GM so this is advanced... worth the minor pain of "choosing".

Now, the other kits have choices made by default. That is how it SHOULD be. But... you can still alter those and change a Center to a Rim or move a tom around, swap it out with another tom from another kit... all sorts of things. VERY good to know this feature.

The cymbals work the same way except they don't have set articulation. But you can choose which position they go in - this is for a fast re-mapping capability of putting what you want where... which is great instead of having to change your midi file itself... let's say you want a splash to be hit instead of a china or crash... you can easily do that with assigning the splash to that slot!

I will publish more information about the slots specifically soon with some graphics and everything. This is part of the upcoming thorough manual - although I did a powerful "tour" of Drum Masters 2 in the Sonic Reality forum on KVR that has some detailed info as well.

Anyway, you can learn it now or if you just want it to be assigned by default then no problem. EASY to do and we'll put that up as soon as we can today... this will just be a patch update which is very small.

[Squids]

Bruford skin/TGA reference issue fixed if you want to redownload and install the Phase 2 Patch zip. A simple drag and drop will replace it and it will work.

The TGA error message no longer shows up after installing the new Phase 2 Patch zip. But the toms in the GM kit do not work and every drum has an IMAP name.
Serge
p.s. I hope you had a caipirinha with your dinner.

We'll have those reset. But if you read my previous post about it that may be helpful beyond just making that kit work for you.

[Squids]

A question for anyone: Does the paid version of Kontakt have solos on the mixer's outputs?

Thanks!

Unfortunately not. I don't think NI realized just how cool that output mixer can be. It DOES have fx inserts which is great! But, IMO, it would be great if they could add MUTE/SOLO as well as automation for the output mixer sliders. That to me would be AWESOME... feel free to lobby NI for that feature. Let's make a petition! Haha. No, I'm kidding... although maybe a thread on their forum with lots of people saying "YES!". They should know how much this feature is wanted by the users though. I have been asking for it for too long with no results. Feel free to help. We don't make Kontakt so we have to work with what is there.

By the way, running it as a plug-in and setting up your individual outputs to go into your DAW (with infinitely better effect plug-ins like T-Racks, UAD and Waves) is still possible NOW and really the much much BETTER way... but still, it is nice to be able to do it ALL within the plug-in too or in stand alone. I'm with you guys on this. It'd be a GREAT feature for Kontakt to have.

[Squids]

Bruford skin/TGA reference issue fixed if you want to redownload and install the Phase 2 Patch zip. A simple drag and drop will replace it and it will work.

Okay, the Multitrack kits have been updated. You just have to redownload the Multitrack kits you chose is the only thing... sorry about that. Harder to update those with a global patch update since each person has a different choice. But they've been updated with subtle fixes (and Motown kit references samples correctly).

I am going to get something to eat... Brazilian. I'll be back a few pounds later.

Hey Squids! I have a really good blond joke pertaining to Brazilian, if you are interested.
I requested a tech support from Allen, but did not hear back from him. I know he's extremely busy right now, and I've already told me to put me on the back burner until the group buy is finished up and everybody's taken care of. I just wanted to know if I can opt for the Dvd option, and have you toss it in the box with the Epik Drums Dvd?
Thanks,
Roundabout71

Yeah, that's not a problem.

What's the joke?

[Squids]

I'm totally confused at this point as to what I should have and what I'm missing.

Squids- Can you tell me exactly how many INSTRUMENTS, MULTI'S AND SAMPLES I should have in each folder? Also, if it is not too much trouble can you do the same for the first GB kits as well since I'm wondering if I'm missing some there too?

Also, I had to manually drag and drop the USD Patch #2 into thier respective folder because I dragged it on to the installer several times and nothing even registered. Was that alright to do? Anyone else have this issue?

Yes, and we'll have to copy/paste this post into the new "vital info" thread I am making for The Sequel GB here.


FROM THIS ULTIMATE STUDIO DRUMS 2 SEQUEL GB:

In this folder hierarchy: Infinite Player/Multis/Ultimate Studio Drums 2 you should have the following folders that each have three multi kits (an IMAP, VDRUM and GM version):

Big Band Jazz STm Kit
Bill Bruford STm Drum Kit
Bonzo Hand STm Kits
British Rock STm Kit
Chambers Sig STm Kit
Classic Rock STm Kit
Copelnd Octbn STm Kit
Danny Gottlieb STm Drum Kit
Drum Doc RG STm Kits [note: within this are the RGS and RGC kits]
Ed Greene STm Drum Kit 1
Ed Greene STm Drum Kit 2
Hot Timbale STm Kit
Jerry Marotta STm Kit Brush
Jerry Marotta STm Kit Yam
John Blackwell STm YamStick
Mower Black Beauty STm Kit
NDV Premr STm Kits [note: within this are the Roto and Timbale kits]
NDV STm Mapx Drum Kit Stick
Progressive Roto STm KIt
Retro Soul STm Kit
RingBeat STm Kit
Weck Yam STm Kit

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Instruments folder: In the folder hierarchy of Infinite Player/Instruments/Ultimate Studio Drums 2 you should have the following kit folders of instrument "kit pieces" inside (ie. kick, snare, toms etc.). These are what you would use when you want to swap out kit pieces from a Multi kit. You simply "X" out (close) the instrument within the multi kit you've loaded. Then you load the same kit piece but from a different kit from this Instrument section and if you like the swap out you then save BACK your own custom Multi by hitting that floppy disc icon at the top of Kontakt and "save as". You can save it anywhere but we recommend you save a Multi back into your multis folder and perhaps make your own folder for your own tweaks... One thing to note, the kit pieces are only in IMAP mode and if you want to use them in other mapping modes like GM or VDRUM or CUSTOM you have to change it after loading which is easy - just change the drop down in the Mapping screen of that instrument/kit piece. Note that the only one kit pieces that do have a VDRUM instrument in here are ones that have been enhanced specifically for VDRUM such as the hi hats and sometimes snares.


Big Band Jazz STm Kit
Bill Bruford STm Drum Kit
Bonzo Hand STm Kits
British Rock STm Kit
Chambers Sig STm Kit
Classic Rock STm Kit
Copelnd Octbn STm Kit
Danny Gottlieb STm Drum Kit
Drum Doc RC STm Kits [note: within this are the RGS and RGC kits]
Ed Greene STm Drum Kit 1
Ed Greene STm Drum Kit 2
Hot Timbale STm Kit
Jerry Marotta STm Kit Brush
Jerry Marotta STm Kit Yam
John Blackwell STm YamStick
Mower Black Beauty STm Kit
NDV Premr STm Kits [note: within this are the Roto and Timbale kits]
NDV STm Mapx Drum Kit Stick
Progressiv Roto STm Kit
Retro Soul STm Kit
RingBeat STm Kit
Weck Yam STm Kit

AFTER INSTALLING ALL THE ZIPS THE SAMPLES FOLDER SHOULD HAVE IN IT:

Danny Gottlieb ST Drum Kit_035.nkx 811.5 MB
Ed Greene ST Drum Kit 1_045.nkx 881.7 MB
Ed Greene ST Drum Kit 2_046.nkx 998.5 MB
Ed Greene ST Drum Kit 2_047.nkx 59.4 MB
IP_Big Band ST Kit.nkx 513.5 MB
IP_Bill Bruford ST Kit.nkx 340 MB
IP_Bonzo2 Hands ST Kit.nkx 335.7 MB
IP_Bonzo2 ST Kit.nkx 429.4 MB
IP_British Rock ST Kit.nkx 451.3 MB
IP_Chambers Prl Snare Samples.nkx 34.7 MB
IP_Copeland Snare Samples.nkx 29.8 MB
IP_MS Ldwg Snare Samples.nkx 236 MB
IP_MS RGC Snare Samples.nkx 131.4 MB
IP_MS RGS Snare Samples.nkx 275.4 MB
IP_NDV Premr Roto ST Kit.nkx 248.9 MB
IP_NDV Premr Timbale ST Kit.nkx 309.6 MB
IP_RingBeats ST Kit.nkx 331.2 MB
IP_snaresx.nkx 461.2 MB
IP_Soul ST Kit.nkx 326.4 MB
IP_SRPercussion_4.nkx 59.8 MB
IP_Weckl Snare Samples.nkx 45.1 MB
JB ST TamStick_094.nkx 1,000 MB
JB ST TamStick_095.nkx 533.6 MB
Jerry Marotta ST Kit Brush_072.nkx 815.9 MB
Jerry Marotta ST Kit Yamaha_074.nkx 963 MB
John Blackwell ST YamStick_096.nkx 998.2 MB
John Blackwell ST YamStick_097.nkx 422 MB
NDV ST Mapx Drum Kit Stick_141.nkx 952.1 MB

[It may also have NKC files - those are just "cache" files that Kontakt generates on the fly so don't worry if you have or don't have those. As long as you have these NKX's you're good.]

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In the Ultimate Studio Space 2 folder in this hierarchy [Infinite Player/Ultimate Studio Space 2/---wave files/impulse responses---

A Bright Medium Room 1.wav
A Bright Medium Room 2.wav
A Bright Medium Room 3.wav
Aggressive Hall 1.wav
Aggressive Hall 2.wav
Aggressive Hall 3.wav
Aggressive Hall 4.wav
Aggressive Hall.wav
Airy Room 1.wav
Airy Room 2.wav
Airy Room 3.wav
Airy Room 4.wav
Airy Room.wav
Ambiguous Fall 1.wav
Ambiguous Fall 2.wav
Ambiguous Fall.wav
Bang Bang Room.wav
Belltower Ring.wav
Bright Ambient Ceiling 1.wav
Bright Ambient Ceiling 2.wav
Bright Ambient Ceiling 3.wav
Bright Ambient Ceiling 4.wav
Bright Ambient Ceiling.wav
Bright Concrete 1.wav
Bright Concrete 2.wav
Bright Concrete 3.wav
Bright Concrete 4.wav
Bright Concrete.wav
Bright Long Space.wav
Chamber Made.wav
Clamped Down.wav
Clamshell Dark.wav
Clamshell Hall 1.wav
Clamshell Hall 2.wav
Comp Room.wav
Deep Chamber.wav
Dense Room.wav
Dense Short.wav
Dipper Bloom.wav
Distant 2.wav
Early and Fast.wav
Echo Chamber One.wav
Echo Chamber Short.wav
Engine Room Decay.wav
Even Medium Long Space.wav
Fallout Chamber.wav
Flutterbug.wav
Flutterer.wav
Foil Decay.wav
Full Medium Room.wav
G Hall 1.wav
G Hall 2.wav
G Hall 3.wav
G Hall 4.wav
G Hall 5.wav
G Hall 6.wav
G Hall 7.wav
G Hall 8.wav
G Hall 9.wav
G Hall 10.wav
G Hall 11.wav
G Hall 13.wav
G Hall 14.wav
G Hall 15.wav
G Hall 16.wav
G Hall 17.wav
G Hall 18.wav
G Hall 19.wav
G Hall 20.wav
G Hall 21.wav
G Room 1.wav
G Room 2.wav
G Room 6.wav
G Room 8.wav
G Room 11.wav
Gated 1.wav
Gated 2.wav
Gated 3.wav
Gated 4.wav
Gated 5.wav
Gated 6.wav
Gated 7.wav
Gated 8.wav
Gated 9.wav
Gated 10.wav
Gated 11.wav
Gated 13.wav
Gated 14.wav
Gated 15.wav
Gold Plate Long.wav
Gold Plate Med.wav
Half Full Hall 1.wav
Half Full Hall 2.wav
Happy Trails.wav
Hollow Hallway.wav
Lake Flutter Room.wav
Large Ambience.wav
Long Industrial Space.wav
Long Room 1-10.wav
Low Mid Smooth Room.wav
Low Noise Gate.wav
Low Zizz Room.wav
Lush Diffuse Hall.wav
Massiveness.wav
Matchstrike Sustain.wav
Med Beauty Room.wav
Med Large Sustain.wav
Med Room Ring.wav
Medium Tight Room.wav
Medium Treble Room.wav
Muted Medium Room.wav
Nice Med Room.wav
Noise Burst Room.wav
Nonlinear Density.wav
Paper Zing Hall.wav
Practical Space.wav
Pro Med Large Space.wav
Prog Ring 3.wav
Prog Ring Room 2.wav
Prog Ring.wav
Quick Brite Splat.wav
Quick Electro Decay.wav
Quick Room 1-7.wav
Quick Room 1-9.wav
Quick Room 2-7.wav
Quick Room 2-9.wav
Quick Room 7YW.wav
Quick Room 7YWF.wav
Quick Tank.wav
Quick White Noisy.wav
Rim Room.wav
Ring Comp Room.wav
Ring Splatter.wav
RMX Reverse.wav
Sharp Room.wav
Short Metal Space.wav
Short Papery.wav
Short Tunnel.wav
Shorthand Paper.wav
Shotty Med Room.wav
Simon Says Gate.wav
Simon Says Noise Blast.wav
Slowdown Room.wav
Smackroom 17.wav
Small Bright Reflections.wav
Small Brite Reflections.wav
Small Concrete.wav
Small Corner 2.wav
Small Corner.wav
Small Room 5RK F OH.wav
Small Room 5RK P OH.wav
Small Room 6 SNARE 2.wav
Small Room Xstik 7YW X-S OH.wav
Small Tight Z Space.wav
Solid Middle Large.wav
Steamfish 1.wav
Steamfish 2.wav
Steamfish 3.wav
Steamfish 4.wav
Steamfish.wav
Stereo Guzzaw.wav
Strident Noise 1.wav
Strident Noise 2.wav
Strident Noise.wav
Stuffy 13.wav
Subtle Electro Decay.wav
Super Short Super Bright.wav
Sustain Chamber.wav
Sustain Tail 1.wav
Sustain Tail 2.wav
Sweet Med Room.wav
Thomas Room 2.wav
Thomas Room.wav
Thwacky Space.wav
Thwop Hall 1.wav
Thwop Hall 2.wav
Thwop Hall 3.wav
Thwop Hall 4.wav
Thwop.wav
Tight Clamshell.wav
Turbo Hall 1.wav
Turbo Hall 2.wav
Turbo Hall 3.wav
Turbo Hall 4.wav
Turbo Short.wav
Zizz Hall.wav
Zizz Room 8.wav

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Hope that helps!

Of course if you were in the previous Group Buy and/or have treated yourself to other Infinite Player format sounds you will have other things in there besides these... and that's a good thing!

[Chester Desmond]

Squids said:

The results are instant. On GM the only non-intuitive but powerful feature there is the "Set Articulation"... I actually wanted that to default to Center but you actually have to "set it" sometimes to either Center or Rim... not a big deal but some people scratch their heads on that one understandably... but then again, it is COOL that you can choose center or rim so that you can decide to make a GM kit that has 3 toms but with center AND rim (load it twice and set one to center and one to rim - both assigned to the same slot #!). That is not something you can usually do in GM so it is nice to be able to spruce GM up a bit with some more expression.

Can you clarify this a bit for me? If you had the the 2 toms loaded and assigned to the same slot, which articulation would sound when that midi note was hit?