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Taron · Post by **Taron** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:20 pm

UH, some nice colabs, YEhah...that can be plenty of fun, toO! Just needs some outlines every now and then. As soon as samples would get pumped in, it could grow into monsters. But that's the kind of stuff that could raise the action level on the forum for sure!

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:14 pm

That's exactly what I do with my friends in Italy.
We work on open projects but via MIDI files only. It is a great way to generate ideas and team work where there is no room for ego.

I know Google has a way to set up forums with file upload and sharing and I think it's for free. I will check it out.
We used to use it for Grasshopper for Rhino but then we moved to a dedicated server etc.

Juan Mendoza · Post by **Juan Mendoza** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:14 pm

Hi

pljones wrote:
Juan Mendoza wrote:Years ago (Muzys era) we did inside elektronicabcn.com
Hi Juan, I still have some of the elektronicabcn Muzys stuff around..! Nice to see you back again.

I remember you and bonteburg and many others that supported elektronicabcn in the past, and i'm glad that you still have some of our stuff and that you found it well woth to save it in your HDD for so many years

Also very happy to be here again and meet you all.

(also, i'm confident that some of these stuff will reincarnate in mulab and that some new things will come, but keep it in secret, ssshhh!):hihi:

My current site on GoDady is costing $30 per year for hosting, $10 a year for DNS, for 300GB per month bandwidth (I'm using 0.22% of it, but it's the lowest they do...). They're a bit meaner on disk space: only 10GB. I've no idea what an idea like this would take.

I'll look at this and the other server suggestions, but first of all i'll wait to see what solutions come from Jo and if it's well worth the time (and eventually money) invested to set this up again. I mean, if mulab users would make intense use of this...?, if not, it's non sense to setup a user Upload/Download/Community site again.

BTW: What stuff you still have? i've lost some of the files and i'm not 100% sure if i have everything of what was released.

Cheers,

Juan

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:48 pm

Just playing around with this idea. Site navigation only at the moment, plus first thoughts on the upload form.

http://dino.drealm.info/peter/mwm/

(That's our local server; "unlimited" disk but low data rates.)

If I get time, I may manage to start making some of the static pages dynamic over the weekend. (I could be called upon to help do some plumbing, though.)

Simon Posford · Post by **Simon Posford** » Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:13 am

Hi;pljones the http://dino.drealm.info/peter/mwm/ adreess don't open a website just ask to dl a file.

Sorry if i have missed one thing but in case...

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:17 am

Simon Posford wrote:Hi;pljones the http://dino.drealm.info/peter/mwm/ adreess don't open a website just ask to dl a file.

Sorry if i have missed one thing but in case...

Strange. What browser are you using?

Looking at the log, I'd say you'd need a current version of Internet Explorer (v8). (I didn't realise IE had problems with XHTML markup.) Or one of the other major browsers, which seem OK. Admittedly, only one person even bothered to look around as far as the uploads page.

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:06 am

I also get a download quesion box. That's using explorer 7.

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:33 am

I think IE prior to 8 gets confused by the file extension of xhtml, which is a bug -- it's meant to use the content type presented by the server. Anyway, I've switched over to a new version of the index (but it's work in progress) - see if that works. (It dynamically generates the comments in the listing boxes from the script that will eventually populate them properly.) I think the full listing page is probably broken right now, though. (Work in progress!)

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:00 am

Some more thoughts:

I think that one of the requirements of a good mu-exchange-area is that it is simple and easy to use, by (almost) any browser. As it should be easy-to-use for newbies to. We can't expect newbies to update their browser in order to access the internet MU library.

Maybe it would be great if it would be built-in in MU.LAB itself, e.g.

FILE menu: Download From MU.NET / Upload To MU.NET (or MU.LIB?)

Mmm, yes, that sounds good as it will also implicitly allow a kind of auto-monitoring of what can be uploaded (i.e. only MUTOOLS related files, filesize limit, ..?).

Unfortunately i'm still quite unexperienced in network programming. Some time ago we touched this topic with regards to downloading, and i did a little bit of initial research on downloading, (on Win ok, on Osx very difficult), but no idea at all how uploading would work, programmatorically. It's definitely a fascinating topic.

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:14 am

mutools wrote:We can't expect newbies to update their browser in order to access the internet MU library.

Agreed. I'm sketching at the moment, so not worrying about practicalities

. Is it still not working, then?

Downloading is "GET http://server/resource", if the server understands HTTP. Uploading is as "simple" as an HTTP POST request, really. (Well, it's that easy on Windows and Linux... is OSX really that bad?)

Unfortunately, unless you use some form of client authentication, your server will, essentially, be open to the world to dump onto. I don't know how the MU.LAB key works and whether some form of public key authentication could be built around that for people who've bought MU.LAB but you then leave MU.LAB Free without upload capability. (That may or may not be a bad thing.)

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:23 am

I now get a webpage with "Welcome, pretty banner here... upload...full listing"

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:24 am

mutools wrote:I now get a webpage with "Welcome, pretty banner here... upload...full listing"

OK, that's "working" then, thanks. I guess the links won't work, though, as they're .xhtml, too.

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:47 am

The site should now allow uploads and downloads. I discovered I don't have an outbound mailer, so I've put in a minor work-around. Also, there's currently no file checking or compression, so play nicely. (And I've not implemented "random" yet, either. And there are plenty of other bugs... don't pick a licence, for example...)

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Sun May 02, 2010 6:05 pm

Thanks to Andreas for being the first person to try out the website (and prove it works for someone other than "just me"!).

By the way, "it's working". To the extent that it allows any file under 100000bytes to be uploaded. (Until/unless I get a more robust way of ensuring people are who they say they are, I'm slightly scared of opening it up!

)

Taron · Post by **Taron** » Sun May 02, 2010 7:51 pm

I suppose you wouldn't want to have 3.1.1 MuSessions, yet, right?!

I tried to upload a file, but it failed for some reason... hmmm... guess I've missed something?!

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