Chord/Scale Request in the Piano Roll and the MU.LAB Loop System

[janamdo]

BTW which example you are talking about?

Here is a good example: http://www.mutools.com/mulab/demo-sessions/freeway .zip

We can also better asked it on the maker himself, because i don't know how he has made it ...yet

[MuTools]

FYI: Support for MFX is not planned.

For i would rather invest that amount of dev time in creating more MIDI modules in MU.LAB itself. That would be a better investment, imho.

Well i thought, it takes not that much of time for the implementation of such MFX plugin ? it is not developing..only connecting (still complicated maybe?)
There are probably some interesting among them to have in MUlab and can serve a idea for module in Mulab itself.

Time it is only the limiting factor ?

Indeed: Time is spare and precious.

[liquidsound]

BTW which example you are talking about?

Here is a good example: http://www.mutools.com/mulab/demo-sessions/freeway .zip

We can also better asked it on the maker himself, because i don't know how he has made it ...yet

Yes. That's a very nice way of using the loops and the Part Start.
Infact the link to his file was provided because my explanation was way toooo long. But that's the best way I could do at midnight On The East Coast!

[janamdo]

BTW which example you are talking about?

Here is a good example: http://www.mutools.com/mulab/demo-sessions/freeway .zip

To analyse something ..
The basspart : bass1 - Measure(2..6) is the start for the basstrack ( i think ),
than extension (use pencil) from this existing 4 measures with 3 (repeating)measures.

Note: as composing principle .. repetition and pitch chance for the same pattern ( a cell )

Further ...?

[liquidsound]

BTW which example you are talking about?

Here is a good example: http://www.mutools.com/mulab/demo-sessions/freeway .zip

To analyse something ..
The basspart : bass1 - Measure(2..6) is the start for the basstrack ( i think ),
than extension (use pencil) from this existing 4 measures with 3 (repeating)measures.

Note: as composing principle .. repetition and pitch chance for the same pattern ( a cell )

Further ...?

We are talking about loop usage. No need to engage in analysis. You can do that with Mark because it's not my territory to do that.
This can go forever...

[sunhome]

FYI: Support for MFX is not planned.

For i would rather invest that amount of dev time in creating more MIDI modules in MU.LAB itself. That would be a better investment, imho.

What's MIDI modules mean in this context? Does MIDI modules refer to chord/scale/arp type midi madness tools?

Regards, James

[sunhome]

BTW which example you are talking about?

Here is a good example: http://www.mutools.com/mulab/demo-sessions/freeway .zip

We can also better asked it on the maker himself, because i don't know how he has made it ...yet

Yes. That's a very nice way of using the loops and the Part Start.
Infact the link to his file was provided because my explanation was way toooo long. But that's the best way I could do at midnight On The East Coast!

Long but appreciated! I have gone over the song example a bit [pleasant sounding stuff] but not cracked the progression and loops that you mentioned, yet

Regards, James

[liquidsound]

BTW which example you are talking about?

Here is a good example: http://www.mutools.com/mulab/demo-sessions/freeway .zip

We can also better asked it on the maker himself, because i don't know how he has made it ...yet

Yes. That's a very nice way of using the loops and the Part Start.
Infact the link to his file was provided because my explanation was way toooo long. But that's the best way I could do at midnight On The East Coast!

Long but appreciated! I have gone over the song example a bit [pleasant sounding stuff] but not cracked the progression and loops that you mentioned, yet

Regards, James

My problem is getting lost in over explaining.. sorry!
The best thing is to try with something simple like janamdo suggested:

You can write a little groove, just 2 bars and set the Song Loop for that so it keeps on going.
Open the Part and set a loop in it by right click on the time line.
Do not use the Part Start here yet.
Make a short loop, couple of beats long, anywhere you like.
Go back to the composer window and hit Play. Also observe the Part. Now it has vertical dividers = Part's loops!
Try to move the loops marks and see how it changes.

How is it now?

[sorohanro]

So I loose half an hour to find the plugins, post the links and got absolutely no feedback.
No "FU** you, I hate those plugins" or "Thanks for the links"... ok... I'm used to no feedback.
But then I see this... so maybe you missed my post or didn't seen the links

What's MIDI modules mean in this context? Does MIDI modules refer to chord/scale/arp type midi madness tools?

So, I quote myself, maybe you'll find those useful:

I'm not saying there is no market for it.
I'm saying that, as a concept, it's quite a silly option and keeping in mind the concept of freedom in Mu.Lab, this kind of go against...

But I might be wrong.
Also, I think I've seen a free plugin doing that:
Tonmeister
And some other "cheaters"
ChordworX
Custom MIDI Auto-Harmonizer

Here, it makes you look smarter if you quote something cool

[sunhome]

I have gone over the song example a bit [pleasant sounding stuff]

Regards, James

I did compliment the song you made

After using the language "cheating" and "silly" it shuts down conversation a bit I do appreciate the time you spent, yet did you look at the cognitone link I provided. I do like the wok solution and was close to a purchase at one point as he is an interesting developer and topaz's midi solution is also rahter nice. The third one I was not familar with. I guess you are just pointing out there are 3rd party ways of approaching my question. I still am of the opinion, that a scale filter on a piano roll would be uber useful

Regards, James

[Nielzie]

That's a "slam whatever on your keyboard and the plugin will make out some sort of music" thing.
Not a big fan myself of those "cheating" tools, not to say that the main feature of Mu.Lab is freedom and that would cut from the freedom choice of what notes you play...

Well, let's see the "official" answer.

Cheating? In that context making use of midi in general is cheating too, isn't it

And you where cheating too at the moment of typing this nonsense in your internet enabled system while you could sent it in a letter to us all

[sorohanro]

Cheating? In that context making use of midi in general is cheating too, isn't it

Writing MIDI is not much different than writing notes for an orchestra or ensemble to play it, so, no.
Cheating is:
- Writing a song in F major without willing to learn that you have to put Bb.
- Making all of "your music" out of pre-made loops, having no idea what notes, what instruments or who wrote the music, but call it "yours"
- Recording a guitar solo slow, then stretching it to be faster than light speed and pretend that you are the next Malmsteen.
- Putting your voice through a autotune plugin forced to a scale and pretend that you knew what you were singing.
- having a program composing instead of you.
Then you are just a kid fooling around but pretend that you're a composer, you are a computer user pretending you're a musician, you're an amateur pretending that you are a professional and last, you are an ignorant pretending that you are a educated informed specialist

If you want to write music, at least learn the flats and sharps, or at least have the balls to take a chance and learn from your own mistakes.
But these days people are afraid of learning and ignorance is a well desired prestigious title.


Me is sad.

[sorohanro]

After using the language "cheating" and "silly" it shuts down conversation a bit

Sorry if my tone is a bit aggressive, I don't mean to.
English is not my native language and... well, the main reason is that I take music very personal
I do...
I consider music one of the most beautiful and important things, almost a religion for me.

[MuTools]

I consider music one of the most beautiful and important things, almost a religion for me.

+1

[Nielzie]

Cheating? In that context making use of midi in general is cheating too, isn't it

Writing MIDI is not much different than writing notes for an orchestra or ensemble to play it, so, no.
Cheating is:
- Writing a song in F major without willing to learn that you have to put Bb.
- Making all of "your music" out of pre-made loops, having no idea what notes, what instruments or who wrote the music, but call it "yours"
- Recording a guitar solo slow, then stretching it to be faster than light speed and pretend that you are the next Malmsteen.
- Putting your voice through a autotune plugin forced to a scale and pretend that you knew what you were singing.
- having a program composing instead of you.
Then you are just a kid fooling around but pretend that you're a composer, you are a computer user pretending you're a musician, you're an amateur pretending that you are a professional and last, you are an ignorant pretending that you are a educated informed specialist

If you want to write music, at least learn the flats and sharps, or at least have the balls to take a chance and learn from your own mistakes.
But these days people are afraid of learning and ignorance is a well desired prestigious title.


Me is sad.

imho there is no cheating in creating music. It does not matter how you do it, it matters if you (and probably others) are happy with and enjoying the results of your decisions of creation.

So you are not allowed to use samples because you didn't play them yourself? You can't use a synth preset that you didn't create yourself? You have to be able to read musical scores perfectly to make interesting music? That's a bold statement imho. And what's wrong with "amateurs" and people that like to experiment with electronic music as a hobby?

Being professional (like you probably are) should not make a big difference. I'm a professional too, but not at making/releasing music (most of us here aren't probably) and I probably make more money with my (IT) job than you with making music (not that that is important anyway) while you are probably a computer "hobbyist" And what are we making music on here.. Computers! I don't get that pro vs amateur crap anyway

Peace.