MU.LAB 3.1 test

[Trancit]

Yes 3.1.2 and yes for the Modular Module it works with the Rom presets...but what for are the next/previous shortcuts for the racks???

Where do you see these "next/previous shortcuts for the racks" ?

In the specific categories: Rack > Select next preset and Select previous preset

Trancit

[MuTools]

Ok, i see, thanks.

That's not intended.
Please simply ignore it for now.
Will be removed in the next version.

[Trancit]

Ok, i see, thanks.

That's not intended.
Please simply ignore it for now.
Will be removed in the next version.

We are great testers, aren't we ...
We use more features as MuLab offers...


Trancit

[MuTools]

[Jake Jackson]

Well, hell. All of the effects came in fine, but the ADSR envelopes, unlike all of the others, including the mux Note-Gater, don't seem to do anything.

Just considering Note-Gater: I've tried every configuration I can think of:

1. In a rack, before the instrument.
2. In a rack, after the instrument.
3. In the Modular area, before the rack.
4. In the Modular area, before the rack, and with both audio and event input on top of it and connected.
5. In the Modular area, after the rack and before the Master, with connections to both.

Turning the knobs has no effect. Going into the deep editor, knobs also have no effect.

I'm probably doing something wrong, but I don't see it.

Must admit that the name "Note-Gater" confuses me a bit: does the envelope control the amplitude or the gating? In other words, does the Attack knob control the rate of the gating or is just an amp attack knob, which is what I want? But I've listened for Note-Gater to be either, and there's just no effect on the sound.

The Note Gater preset lets the audio pass on note on, and mutes it on note off. Handy to make that typical trance gate effect.

But I can't get it to work. If I put it above the instrument in the rack, it has no effect. If I put it after the instrument, it shuts off the sound entirely, regardless of what settings I use for each envelope stage--there's no Note-on sound.

[Trancit]

You have to route another track directly to the note gater and "trigger" the note gater with a sequenz or live if you are playing your keyboard...

Try this:

Track one: Set up a rack with topmost a synth/sampler best with a pad sound.
Route this track to this plugin, not to the complete rack...
Insert a sequence, some chords which trigger the pad sound and set a loop for this sequence...

Insert the Note Gater after the Padsynth in the same rack and route a second track directly to the note gater plugin, again not to the complete rack...

Play the loop
Set the focus to the Track (click on the track, that you get a yellow line around it), which is routed to the note gater
hit some keys on your midi keyboard while the loop is playing...eh voila

Do you hear the effect???

Trancit

[Jake Jackson]

It seems that the process that you list requires that the user first insert the synth or the sample player into the Modular area, correct?

I'm really just trying to do something much simpler: I want to assign an ASDR envelope to a vsti. Surely one doesn't have to assign a separate track for that. (?)

[janamdo]

Well, hell. All of the effects came in fine, but the ADSR envelopes, unlike all of the others, including the mux Note-Gater, don't seem to do anything.

Just considering Note-Gater: I've tried every configuration I can think of:

1. In a rack, before the instrument.
2. In a rack, after the instrument.
3. In the Modular area, before the rack.
4. In the Modular area, before the rack, and with both audio and event input on top of it and connected.
5. In the Modular area, after the rack and before the Master, with connections to both.

Turning the knobs has no effect. Going into the deep editor, knobs also have no effect.

I'm probably doing something wrong, but I don't see it.

Must admit that the name "Note-Gater" confuses me a bit: does the envelope control the amplitude or the gating? In other words, does the Attack knob control the rate of the gating or is just an amp attack knob, which is what I want? But I've listened for Note-Gater to be either, and there's just no effect on the sound.

Where to find mux Note-Gater in MUlab ..what version ?

[Juan Mendoza]

Where to find mux Note-Gater in MUlab ..what version ?

It's an FX preset, goto Efects>mutools>rom>amplifier.

[MuTools]

It seems that the process that you list requires that the user first insert the synth or the sample player into the Modular area, correct?

Nope, you can use the Note Gater in a rack slot below a synth (for example)

Then send a sequence to the synth to play the melody.
Then send a sequence to the Not Gater to open and close the gate

I'm really just trying to do something much simpler: I want to assign an ASDR envelope to a vsti.

Why do you want to do that?

What do you want to do?

[pljones]

It seems that the process that you list requires that the user first insert the synth or the sample player into the Modular area, correct?

Wrong. The Note Gater requires an audio input (like any effect) plus a stream of Note events. Insert a Synth module into Rack A. Direct a sequence with some long, long notes on at that Rack. Direct the output of Rack A to Rack B. Insert a Note Gater into Rack B. Direct a second sequence with some short and spaced notes on to that rack (playing alongside the first sequence). Hit play. That's what Note Gater is for.

I'm really just trying to do something much simpler: I want to assign an ASDR envelope to a vsti. Surely one doesn't have to assign a separate track for that. (?)

Yes, that's nothing to do with Note Gater. But you'll need to explain "assign an ASDR envelope to a vsti" more. Do you just want to automate the output level of the VSTi? Or is it something more you're after?

To automate the level:

If your VSTi responds to MIDI CC7 (Volume), you can use that directly in the sequence Part you're using to play the notes.

Otherwise you'll need a second sequence Part to target a module that controls the level. I'd automate the rack mixer strip's Gain as first choice. There are other ways to do it.

If you really want add an ADSR envelope to a VSTi that doesn't have one, then that's what MUX is for:
1) Replace your VSTi with a MUX
2) Open the MUX deep editor
3) Insert your VSTi
4) Insert an ADSR Envelope control generator
5) Insert an Amplifier module (because an "ADSR Envelope" needs something to control)
6) Wire up MUX Event Input to ADSR Envelope event input and VSTi event input
7) Wire up ADSR Envelope control output to Amplifier Gain control input
8) Wire up VSTi audio output to Amplifier Audio input
9) Wire up Amplifier Audio output to MUX Audio Out

So, yes, you do need to think modular for this. But then, you're dealing with three modules (synth, control generator, effect), three types of signal (MIDI, Audio and Control).

You could make an ADSR module with a MUX as an effect, though, I think, and have this work like the Note Gater (except using the same part to control it). Once you'd set it up once, you wouldn't have to worry about it.

1) MUX, ADSR, Amplifier
2) Event In -> ADSR
3) Audio In -> Amplifier
4) Amplifier Out -> Audio Out
5) ADSR Control -> Amplifier Gain
Save that as a preset then use it like Note Gater above. Of course, this is monophonic... Polyphonic would need to be build into the synth itself.

(I'm surprised it's not there already.)

[Jake Jackson]

It seems that the process that you list requires that the user first insert the synth or the sample player into the Modular area, correct?

Wrong. The Note Gater requires an audio input (like any effect) plus a stream of Note events. Insert a Synth module into Rack A. Direct a sequence with some long, long notes on at that Rack. Direct the output of Rack A to Rack B. Insert a Note Gater into Rack B. Direct a second sequence with some short and spaced notes on to that rack (playing alongside the first sequence). Hit play. That's what Note Gater is for.

I'm really just trying to do something much simpler: I want to assign an ASDR envelope to a vsti. Surely one doesn't have to assign a separate track for that. (?)

Yes, that's nothing to do with Note Gater. But you'll need to explain "assign an ASDR envelope to a vsti" more. Do you just want to automate the output level of the VSTi? Or is it something more you're after?

To automate the level:

If your VSTi responds to MIDI CC7 (Volume), you can use that directly in the sequence Part you're using to play the notes.

Otherwise you'll need a second sequence Part to target a module that controls the level. I'd automate the rack mixer strip's Gain as first choice. There are other ways to do it.

If you really want add an ADSR envelope to a VSTi that doesn't have one, then that's what MUX is for:
1) Replace your VSTi with a MUX
2) Open the MUX deep editor
3) Insert your VSTi
4) Insert an ADSR Envelope control generator
5) Insert an Amplifier module (because an "ADSR Envelope" needs something to control)
6) Wire up MUX Event Input to ADSR Envelope event input and VSTi event input
7) Wire up ADSR Envelope control output to Amplifier Gain control input
Wire up VSTi audio output to Amplifier Audio input
9) Wire up Amplifier Audio output to MUX Audio Out

So, yes, you do need to think modular for this. But then, you're dealing with three modules (synth, control generator, effect), three types of signal (MIDI, Audio and Control).

You could make an ADSR module with a MUX as an effect, though, I think, and have this work like the Note Gater (except using the same part to control it). Once you'd set it up once, you wouldn't have to worry about it.

1) MUX, ADSR, Amplifier
2) Event In -> ADSR
3) Audio In -> Amplifier
4) Amplifier Out -> Audio Out
5) ADSR Control -> Amplifier Gain
Save that as a preset then use it like Note Gater above. Of course, this is monophonic... Polyphonic would need to be build into the synth itself.

(I'm surprised it's not there already.)

Many, many thanks. That (the part I bolded) works perfectly. I'd tried something similar, but didn't see that I needed to insert the instrument itself into the Mux. I'd connected everything else and then put it in the rack above the instrument. But then the signal was going through the envelope before reaching the instrument at all.

I guess it does seem odd to want this, since most vsti's have their own ADSR envelope. Some don't--physical modelling instruments, for example. Having the envelope gives you another set of controls. (I'm not doing beats or using loops at all, or trance. Just old-fashioned recording, and wanting to control the sound of the instrument live.)

I also found how to use your method to insert a vst amp envelope into the chain--things are set up as you explain, but the vst envelope (which has only audio and events ins and outs) goes between the amp and the audio out, with the uppermost event output wired to its event input. There's another reason for wanting to use an outside envelope: the vst named AmplitudeModulator (a more limited version of the wonderful MultiModulator, which lets you create as many envelope stages as you want and set curves. See: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... +modulator . (The Multimodulator lets you do the same for filter envelopes and more.) In other words, even if the vsti synth already has an amp envelope, these two envelopes give you much, much more control.

Haven't tried creating the separate mux effect yet. Next on the list. I hope you'll check out the above link, however, since I think you'll agree these modulators are worth at least a glance, and will explain why I've bothered the generous souls here with my depraved desire for an envelope. Again, many thanks.

[jpumphandle]

Made with MuLab 3.1 ....
Flash Drive (MP3)

Uses Musynth drumset

[Simon Posford]

I like it you play the guitare solo on you're keyboard or is it composed with the mouse in the editor?

[liquidsound]

Made with MuLab 3.1 ....
Flash Drive (MP3)

Uses Musynth drumset

Nice ambiance. Distinctive Style! Love it!