Patch change on keyboard

[antoinesalathe]

Hi all

If I understand correctly, my M-Audio Oxigene 25 is only compatible direct link
with some expensive DAW software.

I have a Vista , Asio4all driver installed but not the one from M-Audio, from what I read on M-Audio, my Oxigene does not need a driver.
(I tried to install the driver from M-Audio but I do not yet have service pack one or 2 for my Vista ... I will format this computer later and do all the updates)

Can I do this mabnualy and how ... ???

a) assign a key on the Keyboard to change patches (a sound)
b) make the modulation wheel work

Thank you for your help
Antoine

[liquidsound]

Hi all

If I understand correctly, my M-Audio Oxigene 25 is only compatible direct link
with some expensive DAW software.

I have a Vista , Asio4all driver installed but not the one from M-Audio, from what I read on M-Audio, my Oxigene does not need a driver.
(I tried to install the driver from M-Audio but I do not yet have service pack one or 2 for my Vista ... I will format this computer later and do all the updates)

Can I do this mabnualy and how ... ???

a) assign a key on the Keyboard to change patches (a sound)
b) make the modulation wheel work

Thank you for your help
Antoine

Vista? Hum... what's that? Just kiding
I am not familiar with it (still in safety waters of XP).
Usually you only need to plug in the keyboard and windows installs it for you.
If you solved that step once in Mu.Lab go Edit>Midi Set Up> choose your keyboard. If the name is not there than something went wrong with Windows during the installation of the keyboard. (simply put, but it may be more complex than this).

After choosing your keyboard in MuLab click OK and you should be back in the Composer or Sequencer edit window.

I don't know your keyboard but you should be able to just left click in MuLab, with your mouse, whatever you want to control from your keyboard. Immediately after clicking, without doing anything else, MOVE the keyboard controller you intend to use and you should be able to see on the screen the very thing you clicked with your mouse now moving.

I hope all I said is right... but it should cover the most simple attempt unless you decide to get more sophisticated.

Anyone spotted an error in my instructions, please correct!

[liquidsound]

) assign a key on the Keyboard to change patches (a sound)

Here, do you mean your PC keyboard?

[antoinesalathe]

Bonsoir

By keyboard I mean the Oxygen midi controler.

in my audio set up of Mulab = ASIO
in my midi set up of Mulab = in = Oxygen 25 and out is Oxygen 25 (I tried out = Soundcard it also works ?)

I can hear Mulabs demo, I can record and playback.

What I would like to do and I am not able is ...

a)on the midi controler turn the Modulation wheel and get a modulated sound

b)assing any button on the midi controler to change my sounds (so I do not have to go on my computer.)

c) would be nice to get some buttons to work with Mulab (stop,play,rewind etc)

I was under the impression this was done automatically and with ease but you guys are the only ones helping me ... M Audio sold me the keyboard but no way they will help a beginner.

Antoine

[liquidsound]

If I understand correctly, my M-Audio Oxigene 25 is only compatible direct link
with some expensive DAW software.

This is easy to fix. We tell Jo to charge $1000.00 for Mu.Lab and it should work!

Just kidding

I need to see the manual on line of your keyboard. I am not familiar with it and mine is an old KX88 but I have also an Axiom 49. I need to get it back and see if I can help you.
Be patient. Mu,Lab is very rewarding and it's bottomeless in the way it can make you happy with your music.
Hold on. We'll get there!

[pljones]

The mod wheel is easy. Find the control you want to control. Right-click. "Map MIDI Controller". Move your mod wheel. Done!

For the buttons, it depends on (a) what your keyboard is sending and (b) what you're trying to control. If you keyboard is sending patch change messages and you want to control a synth that's written to respond to patch change messages, then it "should just work" with no set up required.

What to do about (a) depends on (b).

If (b) only applies to synths that respond to patch change messages, then the answer to (a) not being patch change messages is to translate the incoming message before it reaches the synth. This can be done at least two ways -- MIDI OX/MIDI Yoke or a MIDI VST plugin.

If for (b), regardless of (a), you want to control patches in everything in MU.LAB, then you're currently out of luck - the shortcut system doesn't yet support MIDI messages. But it's on Jo's wishlist, I believe.

[antoinesalathe]

Hi

I will buy the software if I can make this thing work
(even if not I will buy it and put in the garbidge the M-Audio keyboard)

I'm just using Mu lab, a Midi controller and Laptop (no other midi gear)

The manual is at http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=sup ... ge=en#tabs

I'm sure the answer is written in there but I am to stupid to understand ... I have read the manual 3 times in English and twice in French ... Every time I understand something new !!!


Midi mapping : it might work ... at one point I had the wheel controlling the volume ( but I do not know how I did it )

Questions:

1- I know my keyboard is sending Midi messages, but how do I know on which channel, and how should I set this up ... I only have one sound card in a laptop
(usually when I can I select 'any midi canal or 1')

2- in Mu lab: Midi mapping / edit mapping ...

a) as soon as I touch a button on the keyboard its 'selected'
so ... I touch the whell and get modulation wheel in Mulab.
I select any midi canal
Then In parametre (none or 1-16) I select 1 ... what are those parameter?
the rest I leave as it is (what is global span?)

Hit ok and nothing happens, but if this would work I could do exactly what I want

The French Swiss Canadian guy that read a English Manual and is confused




Antoine

[pljones]

Insert a Synth into Rack A, with Rack A as your MIDI Input target:

Right-click the "Level" knob in this example:

Choose the "Map MIDI Controller" option:

Then move your mod wheel. The "Source" should automatically be set.

You can, if you like, pick a different parameter. Or change the range over which the mod wheel will adjust the parameter.

"Global Span" means this mapping applies no matter what's focussed, I think...

Then In parametre (none or 1-16) I select 1 ... what are those parameter?

That sounds like you're editing in the sequence editor... Now you've raised a question I've not got the answer to: I don't know why these show up when they don't point at anything.

(And another thing here: "Presets" contains the three "presets" plus the controllers and the parameters -- I feel it shouldn't have the controllers and parameters... but maybe that's just me...)

[antoinesalathe]

Hi

PL...a picture is worth 1000 words in any language !!!

Your example worked ... Now I can assing some knobs on the Oxygen to some sliders in Mulab, this is incredible, let me digest this info a play with Mulab.

I guess It is another story to assing the (record ,play ,stop loop button) and another story to make a patch (sound) change directly from the Oxygen

I will be back for more later but know I go for a beer.

Merci

[antoinesalathe]

Hi all

Got my modulation whell working

I touth that when I turn the whell I would get the wawawawa effect on all sounds. But no, I can program any sound to react differently on whell turning.

is this the correct way to do it ... its alot of work doing it for every sound?

[liquidsound]

Hi all

Got my modulation whell working

I touth that when I turn the whell I would get the wawawawa effect on all sounds. But no, I can program any sound to react differently on whell turning.

is this the correct way to do it ... its alot of work doing it for every sound?

The wheel controls internal parameters of the synth that the Preset Designer programed into it, so every preset has potentially a different effect when you move the wheel.
You can however access that control in the Mu.lab synths and modify it to suit your needs.
A lot of work is a personal point of view... but for every sound it probably is