yrg thread

[Maruuk]

Show a guy playing a sampler/softsynth on a PC WELL, not some guy fingerpicking folk ditties using only the internal tones. That's the test of what 95% of us want to hear. And that's also a test of midi response to an external unit, a very different animal than playing internal tones.

My Yamaha EZ-EG plays its crappy internal tones fine, but has all kinds of issues when trying to drive an external midi device.

That's the real test of the YRG. And one or two guys have been shown playing into a laptop, but only these slow little mono lines, no test at all.

Somebody needs to fire up one of these units and see what it'll do as a bonafide midi controller in the real world. Somebody who can play.

[polaris20]

Looks like interesting technology but having watched a few movies I think I'll wait until V 2 or 3. It's all a bit insensitive sounding.

Why don't you just wait until they have them at Best Buy, buy it, try it with your laptop or whatever, and then return it? This isn't something so complex as to need to wait a couple revisions. They're not exactly reinventing the wheel here.

If I were marketing such a device for the general audience I wouldn't put up the most blazing balls to the walls fast demo either.
It's marketed for families. A first guitar and a midi controller. Put joe screamer up there playing at a rediculously fast tempo and you are likely to scare away more players then entice. Not to mention everyone would start a hater vibe and claim that it was fake.

The demo the German guy did with multitracking softsynths in GarageBand was good enough for me to show how good it was for the MIDI purpose. I won't be doing hyperspeed piano lines, I just want something that doesn't glitch to high heaven like the Roland GI-20 does.

[Maruuk]

Well I'm basically in the same boat, inputting into a sequencer to run various keys and orch samples. If it's clean and responds even half-decently it'll be way ahead of my EZ-EG and Suzuki. Tried a Roland system years ago but the lag freaked me out. Besides, with midi into a DAW there's automatic lag in the buffer zone already. A good ASIO driver cuts it down, but it's still there.

[bigcraigie_1]

The German blokes videos showed what the YRG is capable of in my opinion and has really boosted my confidence in the product. Just can't wait to get my hands on it. And by the way, that guy can really play the guitar. You should check out some of his other Youtube vids that are not YRG related.

I believe that the YRG will suit all our needs in terms of laying down chords and melodies with no lag. Any fine tuning can be done through the MIDI editor later anyway.

With regards to pre-auth, I do work in the debit/credit card industry in the UK so I can shed some light on it.

Here in the UK, if a company pre-auths your card, it only generates an authorisation code for the retailer and your money is set to the side against that authorisation. Here in the UK, that lasts for ten days and if no further action is taken by the retailer to complete the sale, then the funds become available to you again. So YRG haven't actually taken any money at all in Maruuks case as the money is still in Maruuks bank account, he just can't access it.

Pre-auth is used mostly by the Hotel industry over here hence why we tend to call in Hotel mode when activating a till system or chip and pin terminal to accept it. The idea is, you book a hotel for a night at £50. They pre-auth you for £50 to make sure you are good for the money and also so they can guarentee taking a deposit off you if you don't turn up. So you stay the night and you decide you need a drink, so you hammer the mini bar in the room. Pre-auth has the option of toping up a bill also, so the hotel simply add that to the existing pre-auth they took initially and then complete the transaction when you check out.

Hope that didn't bore you all too much.

[polaris20]

The German blokes videos showed what the YRG is capable of in my opinion and has really boosted my confidence in the product. Just can't wait to get my hands on it. And by the way, that guy can really play the guitar. You should check out some of his other Youtube vids that are not YRG related.

I believe that the YRG will suit all our needs in terms of laying down chords and melodies with no lag. Any fine tuning can be done through the MIDI editor later anyway.

Absolutely agree with all that, which is why I am so excited to get it! I'd love a ZTar Z5, but after spending $1300 in PRS guitars, a bass, and an iso cab, I can't sneak another $1000 past the Mrs.

[Maruuk]

Thanks, craigie, not boring at all. Very helpful!

Well a midi guitar controller is always gonna be GAS purchase #N after some amps, some guitars, a DAW, interface device, some effects units and $300 worth of cords and misc junk. So it NEEDS to be $200, not $2,000. I think lots of folks will make the move at that price point.

[tapper mike]

@polaris

You won't get an arguement from me. A funny thing happened after I got my ztar. I stopped playing the guitar for the first 6 months. It was just that addicting. I think that once the YRG is out on the market we'll see it used in a variety of settings by everyday users as opposed to just evangelists.

[Max el Belga]

Enough blabla ! I wanna have mine this very instant ! Can't wait anymore !



Cheers,

Max... .. .

[polaris20]

@polaris

You won't get an arguement from me. A funny thing happened after I got my ztar. I stopped playing the guitar for the first 6 months. It was just that addicting. I think that once the YRG is out on the market we'll see it used in a variety of settings by everyday users as opposed to just evangelists.

I can see that. I went through a period of a few weeks where I didn't play anything but my Graphtech equipped Ibby plugged into my GR-30. Great sounds, and a ton of fun. With a YRG, GarageBand, and a bunch of soft-synths, it's going to be even more fun.

[Maruuk]

Yeah, and the saving grace of working in a DAW environment with a slightly clunky midi input device like the YRG is QUANTIZING! So easy to fix all those little glitches with a keystroke. Try that with a live guitar track.

[polaris20]

Yeah, and the saving grace of working in a DAW environment with a slightly clunky midi input device like the YRG is QUANTIZING! So easy to fix all those little glitches with a keystroke. Try that with a live guitar track.

Yeah, even if the YRG internal tones were as good as a sampler like SampleTank or Kontakt, the ability to change keys, fix little notes, and change instruments entirely or clone them to add another instrument to add thickness and depth, I can't see why anyone would want to use the internal sounds. The only reason I play a real guitar is because nothing sounds as good as a real guitar. If I could get the same expressive style and tone from a ZTar into a sampler, I'd probably ditch much of my real gear.

[tapper mike]

Here are some area's where the YRG falls short.
Expression is limited to:
Pitch, Velocity, Mod
Granted it was never intended for tweakers.

Whereas even the most limited ztar has completely assignable controllers. Be they volume out, four way joystick, pots, sustain pedal or expression pads/keys.

As the YRG is the first intrument from a new company one can only hope that they address greater midi consumer needs in later editions.

What also would be nice is to see then expand on sdk development (something which they have alluded to in the past) Not that it would be receptor but imagine something akin, where you could simply load sounds directly from an sd card.

[Elantric]

Here are some area's where the YRG falls short.
Expression is limited to:
Pitch, Velocity, Mod

Add lack of Individual String Bending, for onboard sounds or as a MIDI controller - even in the MIDI Mono One Channel per string Mode.

This explains why YRG sounds like a keyboard in the videos.

[mac wilson]

Kind of hard to gauge its shortcomings yet. It may have much worse issues than string bending .
Anyway, at best this thing is just a stopgap.

[Maruuk]

I asked the company politely to either lift the hold on my funds or cancel my order. They've refused to respond for the last two days. And of course, they don't have a telephone so you can't call anyone.

So as far I can tell, they are refusing to cancel my order. Great company.