yrg thread

[tapper mike]

apparently it aslo is affected by vsti I've run a few more sounds thru my library. and the gating varies with the instrument.


...also as you have time please comment to my other thread regarding Inspired instruments. I know they have blueprints for a new model in the works. Hopefully they will review the thread. Other forums seem to lack our understannding of midi implimentation.

Mike

[Elantric]

Here's what the YRG Control panel looks like (scroll left / right)

[RunBeerRun]

This is all looking weird to me. I missed today's FedEx guy, so hopefully I'll get mine during tomorrow's delivery.

[tapper mike]

You are not connected to it.

As mentioned earlier close all other midi apps and any other midi devices. Turn off the unit, turn on the unit click the refresh
When the yrg connects you'll see the model number on the upper left.

Time for a quick screencast.
http://mikec.swishspace.com/extra/panel1.html

Click the get preset
Makde your changes.
Click the set preset.


On a positive note I can now tremelo pick like a mad man and every note hits.

I still need to fine tune my velocity table. but I'm headed in the right directon.

[mac wilson]

Well there's great response for this in the Yahoo forum.

I guess it works pretty good

Thanks again annode.

[Soundloop]

Interesting how Fender and Mad Katz just missed a huge softball with this one. Fender could have hit it out of the park with their new Squire Strat/Rock Band guitar but oops, no midi!

And the Mad Katz "Mustang" controller with midi? Buttons! Ugh. Just won't cut it with buttons to push down and up, down and up. There's no naturalness to it.

Nope, YRG dodged a bullet there, two of em. Fender just doesn't get it yet.

Not true. From what I can tell, I think they got it. Both controllers, including the Squire Strat, definitely have midi. I did also read that in an interview with a rep for the product (can't remember which site now), although it's not mentioned as much as with the Mustang for whatever reason (maybe they are more focused first on emphasising the fact that it's a real guitar). Not sure about a bullet, but IF it works well (still the big question), Fender will be huge competition for YRG (or YRG will become nominal competition for Fender, which is more likely), since I think even the Tele is supposed to come in at around $200 or less, and it is a real guitar (Strat no less), unlike the YRG.

(Also, you mentioned the buttons on the Mustang - I'd agree to that if comparing to the EZ-AG, but the Ztar has used buttons quite sucessfully for years. I wouldn't compare the Mustang to a ztar in any way though, but just making the point that buttons aren't necessarily always crappy).






http://www.engadget.com/photos/rock-ban ... l/#3084132

[tapper mike]

Buttons can be a plus on the right unit. The EZ-EG's failing was really poor implimentation.
A picture tells us it'a a picture. and there is really nothing to refernce things such as neck shape button/string tension/action and,,,,, how could they not have a whammy bar for goodnes sake.

The squire if it is a real guitar will have all the same faults reak guitars already have. unless they hagscrom the neck/strings. even if they did hagstrom it forget diehards cry for guitar vibrato.

[tapper mike]

upon further reflection


Those buttons are too tall and too narrow



Looks indead like a hagstrom solution. the frets are the note sensord when the string makes contact with the sensor it signals the note value.
Don't expect any bending on that thing.

[Soundloop]

Buttons can be a plus on the right unit. The EZ-EG's failing was really poor implimentation.
A picture tells us it'a a picture. and there is really nothing to refernce things such as neck shape button/string tension/action and,,,,, how could they not have a whammy bar for goodnes sake.

The squire if it is a real guitar will have all the same faults reak guitars already have. unless they hagscrom the neck/strings. even if they did hagstrom it forget diehards cry for guitar vibrato.

The only midi controllers that I know of (excluding pitch to midi) that will track actual string bends/vibrato is the Yamaha G-10, Quantar and maybe Synthaxe, and even then you're not going to do bends with every sound.

Diehards are first and foremost going to cry for a real guitar, which is what the Squire is. It may or may not track vibrato, this is all just speculation at this point.

It is possible that they may have additional sensors to track velocity and bend, (which is what the G10 has). Hard to say at this point. Time will tell when more info comes out.

[annode]

Well there's great response for this in the Yahoo forum.

I guess it works pretty good

Thanks again annode.

Your welcome Mac, but all I did was happen on the app., try it, and share what I did.
That credit i'll take. hehe

The real credit should go to just how well the neck sensor system works! The only major prob left to correct is in the string-trigger system, mechanically.
I consider myself somewhat knowledgeable with tactile/sensory systems. I've been doing it a long time. I can tell you now, I will be designing a retrofit for the YRG triggering system.
When I have something which tactically feels close to guitar strings, and inherently provides adequate discrimination between a string that is touched, rubbed, scraped, tapped and a real guitar pick stroke, and all this while the guitar string sensitivity is high.
I'll share the design in the forum.

I'll just need to know a little more about the original sensing method before I can start planning a better one.

So don't get discouraged, your YRG will be getting better and better.

[JAMES L. HARRISON]

When I first turned mine on my A string seemed to be twice as hard to trigger as the others [and on some of the patches the others aren't that easy to trigger either]. However, something seemed to "fall into place after a few seconds and the A string now sounds similar to the others.

James
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With regards to the inconsistant triggering between strings, is it possible to stretch the strings individually to assess if they have the same "give"? It may be possible that they have shipped from the factory inconsistant tension accross the strings?

I'm only guessing here as I don't have mine yet (still no hope of seeing it in the UK any time soon).

Also, how are you guys adapting to learning new chord voicings? I'm assuming that full barre chords sound like crap with certain instruments such as Hammond Organs.

[tapper mike]

It is possible that they may have additional sensors to track velocity and bend, (which is what the G10 has). Hard to say at this point. Time will tell when more info comes out.

Velocity is easy with optical. hitting the string hard will push it out of whack distance equates with velocity. The prblem with read strings is they have a tendency to stay out which leaves one with note on stuck. It's very hard to get tremelo picking out of a 13 pin system because of it. You have to apply some vibrato so it reads the same note as being slightly different.
Harvey uses real strings and optical. No matter how much you try it's not going to feel like a real guitar for the left hand. You'd need to run the strings into the neck so they would respond like the full length of the string.

G10's had a problem with doubled note values when you tried to pick. Better to tap all

[Soundloop]

It is possible that they may have additional sensors to track velocity and bend, (which is what the G10 has). Hard to say at this point. Time will tell when more info comes out.

Velocity is easy with optical. hitting the string hard will push it out of whack distance equates with velocity. The prblem with read strings is they have a tendency to stay out which leaves one with note on stuck. It's very hard to get tremelo picking out of a 13 pin system because of it. You have to apply some vibrato so it reads the same note as being slightly different.
Harvey uses real strings and optical. No matter how much you try it's not going to feel like a real guitar for the left hand. You'd need to run the strings into the neck so they would respond like the full length of the string.

G10's had a problem with doubled note values when you tried to pick. Better to tap all

I've got a G10, and when properly set it tracks absolutely flawlessly.. I have no issues with double notes, but setup is important.

[annode]

James sez;

When I first turned mine on my A string seemed to be twice as hard to trigger as the others [and on some of the patches the others aren't that easy to trigger either]. However, something seemed to "fall into place after a few seconds and the A string now sounds similar to the others.

Before I reset my internal sensitivity mode, my 1st E triggered a louder sound and higher velocity then the other strings. Now that i've reset the sensitivity, the same velocity difference between the 1st E and the other strings has not changed.

String pluck forces that would give me a velocity of about 52 before the sensitivity-reset is now giving me velocity outputs of over 100.

No real way yet to tell why one string is more sensitive or maybe just having a higher velocity level then the other strings. (or any variation of this)
On the present Control Panel, there doesn't appear to be a way to selectively change string settings. This would have me believe the string level discrepancies may be due to sloppy assembly and quality control. But i'm not just settling for that. If that were true, more strings would be different from the others, and more ppl would be seeing this.

When you increase the sensitivity, the differences seem to disappear because picking with moderate string force now puts all strings in the 90 and up velocity range, for the most part,so the VSTi level sounds balanced no matter what string your on.
(there are exceptions of course)

[tapper mike]

I had mentioned this earlier in regards to fall off with my middle strings.

Does your vsti have a setting for volume sensitivity? Mime does at full (31) my volume control is more stable and my velociy is wide open. at 1 I have no control over volume or velocity.

I've been playing around with various velocity and volume curves via my visti for a happy medium.