yrg thread

[tapper mike]

It would be nice if a few more of you would contribute to this thread.
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=290187

[lxm]

...said it would be shipped today or tomorrow...

What's your order number?

I hope/assume they are doing them in order where possible, so I'm trying to get an idea when mine will ship

was a little hazy how they are shipping them out. i think i was 550 or something. pre-orders are rightfully going first. beyond that its kinda a free for all i think

[Maruuk]

Got the control panel working and sensitized up the triggering. All I can say is when you get things working as close to what they're supposed to be, you get a very tenuous and flaky feel from the performance. For instance, one of my fave blues riffs involves a hammer-on combined with a fretted chord behind and you can't do that at all on the YRG, but the Yamaha does it just fine.

Overall it has a very finicky and tentative feel to the playing as if you're always on the verge of a false trigger (which happens). Compared to the Yamaha it's hard to play clean, it kind of triggers a bit erratically. This is a subtle effect, but it makes you feel kind of nervous while you're playing. Definitely going for the Fender if and when it comes out. This still is a toy, though I'm sure we can get some use out of it.

Now I totally get why all the demoers were playing slowly and cautiously. The YRG will make you do that. Reminds of the putting at the Open this weekend. The greens were bumpy and flaky and they had the players trying to second-guess the greens, rather than just making the perfect putt. The YRG has you constantly trying to second-guess it, like, HOLY COW, I BETTER NOT PLAY THIS TOO FAST, IT'LL GLITCH! In that sense, it's very anti-music. Music needs to be about feel and flow, and the YRG is about robotic, clean inputting. Or it punishes you.

[MisterAcoustic]

...said it would be shipped today or tomorrow...

What's your order number?

I hope/assume they are doing them in order where possible, so I'm trying to get an idea when mine will ship

was a little hazy how they are shipping them out. i think i was 550 or something. pre-orders are rightfully going first. beyond that its kinda a free for all i think

Thanks for the response - sounds like it might be possible for them to ship mine this week - the good news is that if they are shipping 550, they very likely have more than 400 YRGs (the original shipment).

Checking the back yard to see if I have a piece of wood big enough to trigger the strings (Kidding!, at least until I get mine and see if there are any sensitivity issues).

One more thing - I've seen valuable posts from everyone in this thread. Let's keep the valuable parts, and leave the interpersonal stuff out of it please. Just ask yourself if what you're writing is going to be helpful. If not, let it pass. It's also extremely easy to be misunderstood when you're typing and not speaking. Take a step back and think whether the person really meant what you understood - there could be a big difference between what was intended and what was heard.

Ok, I'm done. Cheers everyone.

Edit: Corrected "your" to "you're"

[JAMES L. HARRISON]

I don't get notes when I fret a "string" unless the string is ringing and it gives me a hammer-on. I'm using the internal sounds and have not made any sensitivity adjustments to it.

James
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No, tap isn't on...i'm not an idiot. haha

May I remind you guys, about this thread of mine "The You Rock Guitar" thread.
Ok, I hope your finished with your " Two of us want our own thread" posts.
I'd like to ge back to the YRG.
By the time others get home from work, my issue concerning the "writen-in" algo for hammer-ons will be 5 pages back...thanks.

I got a lame response from Cliff telling me to turn on "slide" as if that were a viable work around....not only will the fingered frets sound without a string strike, but the note will be seriously out of intonation, not to mention the YRG is now sending useless pitch data when it shouldn't send anything at all until I pick the string.

This algo, I believe, is an oversight or not finished. Think about it...someone learning to play doesn't want the string to sound if it isn't plucked/picked! But that's just what it's doing as default.

I seem to be alone on this. ???

[tapper mike]

We need a forum here.
As we are all taking different approaches to different things.

We also need to post our settings and explain what types of sounds we are going for.

As an example. My biggest gripe is with the D and G strings. Unless I set it for contstant I get a huge fall off from them. I'lm about to remove the top and see if I can adjust the transducer or string.

[Elantric]

A heads up - the main YRG designer Cliff Elion has joined the Yahoo YouRockGuitar list and is providing tech help

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/yourockguitar

[polaris20]

Got the control panel working and sensitized up the triggering. All I can say is when you get things working as close to what they're supposed to be, you get a very tenuous and flaky feel from the performance. For instance, one of my fave blues riffs involves a hammer-on combined with a fretted chord behind and you can't do that at all on the YRG, but the Yamaha does it just fine.

Overall it has a very finicky and tentative feel to the playing as if you're always on the verge of a false trigger (which happens). Compared to the Yamaha it's hard to play clean, it kind of triggers a bit erratically. This is a subtle effect, but it makes you feel kind of nervous while you're playing. Definitely going for the Fender if and when it comes out. This still is a toy, though I'm sure we can get some use out of it.

Now I totally get why all the demoers were playing slowly and cautiously. The YRG will make you do that. Reminds of the putting at the Open this weekend. The greens were bumpy and flaky and they had the players trying to second-guess the greens, rather than just making the perfect putt. The YRG has you constantly trying to second-guess it, like, HOLY COW, I BETTER NOT PLAY THIS TOO FAST, IT'LL GLITCH! In that sense, it's very anti-music. Music needs to be about feel and flow, and the YRG is about robotic, clean inputting. Or it punishes you.

What version of the app are you using, and what OS are you using? I still cannot get the Control Panel app to adjust the String Sensitivity and make it stick. velocity changes do stick, however.

[annode]

I don't get notes when I fret a "string" unless the string is ringing and it gives me a hammer-on. I'm using the internal sounds and have not made any sensitivity adjustments to it.

James
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What you describe is the case at hand. Although the string/note doesn't need to be audibly ringing, but I know what you mean.As long as the fret is being held after a note id struck, the successive note fretted will sound without a string strike...we know it as hammer-on. This is also true for pull-offs w/theYRG.
I've made my plea to Inspired in detail. It appears it will be given adequate attention.
That's not to say there is anything to 'fix' necessarily. (a matter of user opinion)
I'm going to try something advised to me for a possible work around. If it goes well, i'll share it. If not, it's a wait and see how Inspired feels about it and whether a choice becomes incorporated into the user settings.

[polaris20]

I don't get notes when I fret a "string" unless the string is ringing and it gives me a hammer-on. I'm using the internal sounds and have not made any sensitivity adjustments to it.

James
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What you describe is the case at hand. Although the string/note doesn't need to be audibly ringing, but I know what you mean.As long as the fret is being held after a note id struck, the successive note fretted will sound without a string strike...we know it as hammer-on. This is also true for pull-offs w/theYRG.
I've made my plea to Inspired in detail. It appears it will be given adequate attention.
That's not to say there is anything to 'fix' necessarily. (a matter of user opinion)
I'm going to try something advised to me for a possible work around. If it goes well, i'll share it. If not, it's a wait and see how Inspired feels about it and whether a choice becomes incorporated into the user settings.

yeah I see what you're saying, and that's aggravating. I was confused at first until I tried to replicate it, and there doesn't seem to be any way around it at this point, unless they change the programming. It's like you have to quickly hit the TAP button to do it, which is of course not very natural at all.

At this point it's more and more a midi controller and plays as such, instead of a real guitar format.

[annode]

polaris20 sez;

At this point it's more and more a midi controller and plays as such, instead of a real guitar format.

That's surely something worth keeping in mind when one wants a product changed to how one user feels it should operate. (like telling the boss how to run his company...that get's you fired.)

This hammer-on effect,(to put in simple terms),I imagine was purposely written into the way the guitar interacts with the user. I don't see it's real purpose myself, and would like a choice to turn it off if I please. I hate this effect to be honest, but I can only address it to Inspired and see what happens...which I have.

How they see their product and want their market to see it, is totally up to them.

[Maruuk]

Even as a midi controller it feels way more mechanical and tentative than even my Yamaha EZ-EG, which is itself the essence of mechanical with its fret buttons. But playing the Yamaha just feels more musical and natural. The YRG always feels on the edge of another glitch or note struck not quite when you actually struck it. Not latency, just imprecision. I just always feel nervous playing it.

Control panel V. 0.003
Vista 32

[annode]

Even as a midi controller it feels way more mechanical and tentative than even my Yamaha EZ-EG, which is itself the essence of mechanical with its fret buttons. But playing the Yamaha just feels more musical and natural. The YRG always feels on the edge of another glitch or not struck NOT quite when you struck it. Not latency, just imprecision. I just always feel nervous playing it.

Control panel V. 0.003
Vista 32

After about 3-4 hrs total time on it, it now seems like the feelings your talking about are do to this 'hammer-on' effect. I know I always get double triggers just because i'm fingering and picking along a scale...I didn't really pick up on it right away...but now I can't NOT notice it.

[annode]

And in addition...when after I clipped my nails, I still noticed my nail hitting the fret-board surface sometimes. This can cause a struck string to sound as an open rather then the fingered note cause finger isn't sufficiently depressing the fret sensor.

In response to this I cut my nails ultra-short.

[zerocrossing]

Overall it has a very finicky and tentative feel to the playing as if you're always on the verge of a false trigger (which happens).

I'm not surprised. My spidy-sense tingled when I watched those demos. A little voice told me, "cheap toy! BEWARE!" Then again, it's priced like a cheap toy. Does anyone think that companies like Roland, Eigenlabs and Starr are just gouging customers? No, it's hard to make a precision instrument of any kind. They don't roll off a factory line ready to be sold for less than $200.