yrg thread

[Thuneau]

Ham Vel 0
Pluck decay 99
SS 9

And I still get a TON of extra triggers. And even at 9, a soft pluck results in zero trigger. Looks like no quick cures here.

Did you tighten the strings a bit?

When you play a note and try to do a legato note with out plucking it, does it ring or do you get silence?
I'm trying to determine if your double notes are due to legato action or double triggering of the strings. If you get no legato notes, see if you can find a sweet spot between string tension and sensitivity setting. Maybe you should try 10?

[Maruuk]

Actually I loosened the strings 1/4 turn according to the YRG site mentors. Maybe I should go back and re-tighten. I also loosened the bridge plate a little a la their direction. I'm getting some hammer-on notes (non-plucked left hand finger impacts), but they're somewhat flakey and inconsistent.

[Thuneau]

Actually I loosened the strings 1/4 turn according to the YRG site mentors. Maybe I should go back and re-tighten. I also loosened the bridge plate a little a la their direction. I'm getting some hammer-on notes (non-plucked left hand finger impacts), but they're somewhat flakey and inconsistent.

I get zero hammer-ons since changing the CP settings. This alone eliminated 80% of the double notes for me. I reduced the remaining double notes by tightening the tension and bumping up the sensitivity.
I have to say though that some strings are more prone to double triggering than others on my YRG. So, some manufacturing tolerances come in play here.
It's possible that different runs behave differently.
The picking technique is also a variable.

[tapper mike]

Actually I loosened the strings 1/4 turn according to the YRG site mentors. Maybe I should go back and re-tighten. I also loosened the bridge plate a little a la their direction. I'm getting some hammer-on notes (non-plucked left hand finger impacts), but they're somewhat flakey and inconsistent.

Lift then shift. You play like someone who has only played heavier strings with high action. Thinking light helps.

[Maruuk]

Actually, I generally play .009s with extremely low action.

What does "lift and shift" mean?

[MarkE]

[snip]...Also I'm still waiting to see a link where Harvey set the price for the rock controller. As I recall KK had met harvey at one of the shows and was ribbing him on the release price of the YRG. KK had stated "50" just to mess with him. then retracted.

I keep pretty close tabs on both the starr labs yahoo forum and the ztar forum as well as the midi-guitar forum. Had Harvey made a price announcement for the rock controller I would have seen it.

If the 'Rock Controller' is also known as the Z1, then Mr Starr mentioned a price here:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/mi ... sage/29456

(I think the forum is dillberately putting a space in the word 'message' in the URL above, probably 'cause I haven't posted enough here yet)

Here's a snippet if you can't be bothered to read it all:

That said, I'm ready to "sell out" and make the cheapest MIDI guitar we
can! I'm just kidding!!! We have two awesome new lower-cost models
coming in June that are based on our high-end pro quipment. Our
lowest-cost offering is intended for both music, gaming
(GuitarHero/RockBand) and education. The new Z1 is small, lightweight,
fully MIDI/USB compatible, has our super-fast String Triggers, Whammy
bar, gaming navigation controls and a 14-fret touch-sensitive
fingerboard at $249.

----

I'm sure glad I didn't jump on this You Rock MIDI/Game Controller. It sounds (reads) much more trouble than it's worth. Think I'll wait for Mr. Starrs' contribution.

Mark

[Maruuk]

With all this unobtainium from this guy, Fender and Mad Katz (Nov at the earliest), it'll be some time before there's an actual lo-cost alternative.

[tapper mike]

The "Rock controller has 20 frets the "z1" had 14. the rock controller has other features that were not on the prototype. I suspect the rock controller will prolly sell at $450. Still a lot of details missing in regards to the rock controller.

On another note. Last week I tried to plug my yrg into my amp for the first time using usb power. I got nothing. today I put some batteries in it and tried again. after multiple attempts all I got was the start up sound. the play along tracks didn't sound, the guitar sounds didn't sound and the synth sounds didn't sound.

Needless to say I think I'll just save my pennies for a mini and enjoy the baby till then.

[Maruuk]

The YRG is already way out of market range for a game controller at $200. How could they sell one for $450???

[MarkE]

The "Rock controller has 20 frets the "z1" had 14. the rock controller has other features that were not on the prototype. I suspect the rock controller will prolly sell at $450. Still a lot of details missing in regards to the rock controller.

On another note. Last week I tried to plug my yrg into my amp for the first time using usb power. I got nothing. today I put some batteries in it and tried again. after multiple attempts all I got was the start up sound. the play along tracks didn't sound, the guitar sounds didn't sound and the synth sounds didn't sound.

Needless to say I think I'll just save my pennies for a mini and enjoy the baby till then.

Hi again,

The description in the snippet I pasted in my previous post fits the 'Rock Controller' video closer than the description of the second more expensive new offering from Mr Starr. Here's a snippet for the second new product:

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We also building a short run of (100) for our new pro-level Ztar, the
Z5S. It's a somewhat simpler version of our Z6S Ztar, full-size with a
24-fret fingerboard, body and neck in Maple with a 3-tone Sunburst
finish! Both our button neck and log neck will be available. The list
price for the new Z5 is $1595 but we are taking advanced orders at
$1295. The Z5 will still have the patented Poly Mode that allows
playing piano chords and two-hand tapping styles and limitless tuning
options. The same instrument can also be upgraded with our full menu of
Ztar options. We are now accepting advanced orders for the Z5S.
www.starrlabs.com
---

The first snippet (in my previous post) refers to a MIDI/Game controller just like the video. As Mr Starr quoted $249, I would tend to think that the price would be closer to that than your guess of $450. Also, I agree with Maruuk, $200 arlready sounds too much for gamers to pay for something like this. The 14 to 21 fret difference may just be spec. change (for the better ).

Anyway, we shall see what the future brings. Judging by the stuff I'm reading here, the present isn't offering a viable solution.

Link to Mr Starr's post:
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/mi ... sage/29456

Link to Rock Controller video:


(Again, the links have been changed by the forum software.)

Mark

[polaris20]

Well my YRG is gone. I truly hope the person who got it enjoys it, as it works perfectly fine as it was intended from the factory. The problem is that it is not good enough for me, even for $200. I just felt with all this "we're working on this app or that so you can fix these issues" got to be old. You shouldn't sell a device to people and expect them to be beta testers to get the device to final release point.

I have hopes for the Starr device, but in the meantime I'll continue using my Ghost/Roland GR-30 setup, and perhaps pick up an Axiom as well. For a $200 device, it actually works as advertised.

[MisterAcoustic]

Well my YRG is gone. I truly hope the person who got it enjoys it, as it works perfectly fine as it was intended from the factory. The problem is that it is not good enough for me, even for $200. I just felt with all this "we're working on this app or that so you can fix these issues" got to be old. You shouldn't sell a device to people and expect them to be beta testers to get the device to final release point.

I have hopes for the Starr device, but in the meantime I'll continue using my Ghost/Roland GR-30 setup, and perhaps pick up an Axiom as well. For a $200 device, it actually works as advertised.

I saw that you got a good price for it too. There is a yamaha ez-ag that came up for sale in my area (the first ever), so I'm trying to contact them to get to play one, and potentially buy it. If the right hand works better than the YRG, I will probably sell my YRG too.

[polaris20]

Well my YRG is gone. I truly hope the person who got it enjoys it, as it works perfectly fine as it was intended from the factory. The problem is that it is not good enough for me, even for $200. I just felt with all this "we're working on this app or that so you can fix these issues" got to be old. You shouldn't sell a device to people and expect them to be beta testers to get the device to final release point.

I have hopes for the Starr device, but in the meantime I'll continue using my Ghost/Roland GR-30 setup, and perhaps pick up an Axiom as well. For a $200 device, it actually works as advertised.

I saw that you got a good price for it too. There is a yamaha ez-ag that came up for sale in my area (the first ever), so I'm trying to contact them to get to play one, and potentially buy it. If the right hand works better than the YRG, I will probably sell my YRG too.

You can still get them new, too.

[tapper mike]

MarkE

If you look at the image presented here -

It was the prototype for 'zi'
Which only has 17 fres It does not have the added features demonstrated on "The rock controller" and it only has 17 frets.

Harvey has a habit of building a prototype then scratching it and starting fresh. The early z7's prototypes did not have joystick, mod wheel or string triggers.

[Soundloop]

Well, my YRG arrived today..

I have not plugged it in or turned it on yet, but I have to say that I'm pleasantly suprised with the feel of it, just giving it the quick once over. It's quite comfortable to play, and the string triggers feel great.

Once I dig into it a bit and actually play it and use the midi functions, I'll try and post some impartial comparisons with my Yamaha G-10 and Ztar (which is a custom Z7s with the newer non-button neck and breath controller) if anyone is interested..