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[janamdo]

You must try to record first you own voice via a mic as a mono signal as a start to get a hang of it how it works a a basic exercise

1) Setup recording
2) Recording

setup => go to the modulair session area

No, not necessary.

For a simple audio recording you don't need the MSA.

Just enable record audio (only needed once) then simply hit record, that's all. Cfr http://www.mutools.com/mulab/docs/recording.html

Only when doing multitrack recordings, you need to MSA to create more recorders. I guess this should also be possible from the Audio Recording Setup panel. Then you won't need the MSA at all. (you could use it if you want to setup more complex routings). Added that to the wishlist.

i noticed that with multi trackrecording you must connect the audiorecorders with the (master) audio output

Is this with case with simple audio recording ?



So in the manual you must clarify this distinction that there is a one track and a multitrack audiorecording procedure

[MuTools]

You must try to record first you own voice via a mic as a mono signal as a start to get a hang of it how it works a a basic exercise

1) Setup recording
2) Recording

setup => go to the modulair session area

No, not necessary.
For a simple audio recording you don't need the MSA.

Just enable record audio (only needed once) then simply hit record, that's all. Cfr http://www.mutools.com/mulab/docs/recording.html

Only when doing multitrack recordings, you need to MSA to create more recorders. I guess this should also be possible from the Audio Recording Setup panel. Then you won't need the MSA at all. (you could use it if you want to setup more complex routings). Added that to the wishlist.

i noticed that with multi trackrecording you must connect the audiorecorders with the (master) audio output

You don't have to do that in order to record.

Depending on your setup, you might wish to do so for monitoring. But then you can also use the 'Monitor' parameter in the recorder setup.

So in the manual you must clarify this distinction that there is a one track and a multitrack audiorecording procedure

Please give it a read. It is explicitly indicated.

[TheGuysanIdiot]

A missed sale is a missed sale.

Any commercial business needs to attract customers any which way they can and then keep them.

The new users are your future revenue you need to make it foolproof for all new users that try out your product to be able to setup MU.LAB easily.

If it was me I would use all methods at my disposal to make the above happen.

The YouTube videos are one way to help out the new user. The documented "Quick Start Guide" would be another. Some people respond to videos and some people respond to simple documentation.

If it was me I would do both.

I would also give the save disabled full version demo of MU.LAB some thought as an extra function within the MU.LAB FREE.

Using the old saying "The customer is always right".

While I think the current MU.LAB FREE is a great product as it is. I can appreciate that others would benefit from a save disabled version.

All the above is relevant to increasing sales and trying to attract as many new users as possible.

Quite often in life we have to duplicate information in various forms so that ALL of our audience can understand our products etc.

OZ

[janamdo]

Please give it a read. It is explicitly indicated.

I find the documenting complete for recording, but not good organised
You must concentrate on the core instructions and added later side information

Dont mingle this type of information both together

[robenestobenz]

About track-part targets: Just an idea that pops up:

What about inversing the track-part target priority.
Now if a track has no specific target then it's the part which defines the target.

Inversed behaviour idea:

All tracks always use a target (i.e. more traditional way) and parts normally don't have a target. Then if you define a part target, it will have priority on the track target. Of course this means that you can have tracks which are routed to e.g. "Bass Synth" but containing parts that are targetting e.g. "Diffuse Pad". Of course this would only happen if the user chose to do so, so that's ok.

In this case, also the "Use Part Targets" function can be removed.

I think this part level overriding of the target would be a great thing. I can't see any disadvantages to this. No functionality lost, and a lot of clarity and simplicity gained.

My suggestion re. a track based approach was to include them in the SMA:
It does mean the SMA would often get crowded, but it makes the signal flow very clear and consistent (tracks are explicitly included in the signal chain unlike now, where they are both a part of it and yet not represented in the SMA).

[MuTools]

That's all true OZ.

But please also take into account that each action costs time.

I understand your point about duplicating information, and agree with it.

But at the same time i think that it's not efficient.

I would like to keep the docs as a reference, and make it as detailed as necessary. (for example: you asked about the Fatness, well i updated the docs and added that bit of info to it. Will continue to do so.)

Then together with that i want to make 10 or 20 YouTube tutorials about several aspects of MU.LAB. These tutorials are very public and accessible (YouTube), and are a good and easy medium to explain basic things, cfr "Quick Starts".

That should do it, imho.

Other time will be invested in further evolving the product(s) themselves.

[TheGuysanIdiot]

Indeed time management gets us all.

OK. No problem.

I look forward to the new videos as and when.

As always I will give advice freely but you must always decide what you need/want to do.

Have a great holiday whenever that is.

OZ

[janamdo]

Please give it a read. It is explicitly indicated.

I find the documenting complete for recording, but not good organised
You must concentrate on the core instructions and added later side information

Dont mingle this type of information both together

This is my general idea of the existing documentation of Mulab that it is not always clear what the core instructions are for the brandnew user who seeks help for working with Mulab

[MuTools]

Please give it a read. It is explicitly indicated.

I find the documenting complete for recording, but not good organised
You must concentrate on the core instructions and added later side information

Dont mingle this type of information both together

This is my general idea of the existing documentation of Mulab that it is not always clear what the core instructions are for the brandnew user who seeks help for working with Mulab

That's the essential difference between a 'Reference' and a "Manual".

The docs are more a reference i.e. they just explain all functions where necessary.
The video tutorials are more a manual i.e. step by step explanations of how to do this and that.

The video tutorials are more for newbies, the docs are more for advanced users.

There shoud be many more video tutorials, among which one that handles simple audio recording.

[MuTools]

Indeed time management gets us all.
OK. No problem.
I look forward to the new videos as and when.
As always I will give advice freely.

Thanks!

Have a great holiday whenever that is.

Normaly tomorrow. Packing

[MuTools]

I think this part level overriding of the target would be a great thing. I can't see any disadvantages to this. No functionality lost, and a lot of clarity and simplicity gained.

Yes, i think so too. It sounds more logical too me. But the idea needs to ripe a bit more.

My suggestion re. a track based approach was to include them in the SMA.
It does mean the SMA would often get crowded, but it makes the signal flow very clear and consistent (tracks are explicitly included in the signal chain unlike now, where they are both a part of it and yet not represented in the SMA).

I see. Mmm, interesting. Will give it some more thought.

[liquidsound]

Jo, I was thinking if you or anyone of us has some interesting "Setup Templates" similar to the New.MuSession that could be part of the MUTOOLS website and downloaded for beginners.
This could be more practical than a video for basic setups of Audio mono, stereo, multiple etc. or complementary to additional videos.
A collection of Templates in the Zip Package wouldn't hurt I think.

It could develop into a File>Choose Template>Type etc.

What do you think? (Any thoughts from others?)

[janamdo]

Jo, I was thinking if you or anyone of us has some interesting "Setup Templates" similar to the New.MuSession that could be part of the MUTOOLS website and downloaded for beginners.
This could be more practical than a video for basic setups of Audio mono, stereo, multiple etc. or complementary to additional videos.
A collection of Templates in the Zip Package wouldn't hurt I think.

It could develop into a File>Choose Template>Type etc.

What do you think? (Any thoughts from others?)

Yes, a good idea
How on earth is it possible that someone is trying for 3 days and is not capable of doiing a audiotrack recording for one track?

I am curious what went wrong here, because Jo let me believe that this is deadsimple recording one audio track?

[janamdo]

Hello,

I very tested and that still does not function. No the led, not of sound…

This software is unfortunately not simple to control. There are too many handling to make and options with notching for Juste to record a sound…

I do not say that the software does not function. It is surely a problem of handling… But after 3 days passed on this software for nothing to have, then there are things to re-examine in its ergonomics…

Moreover, this video: summarizes the situation very well. To click here, then there and still here…

I am not carrying a beginner in this kind of software, but there… It is incomprehensible and its logic is not mine (...).

I am sorry, I give up and pass to another… Damage but I do not have time to lose in interminable handling… : -)

Good continuation… and thank you ; -)

F.

First .. what do you want to record?
Please explain the audiorecording steps what you have done

[robenestobenz]

Jo, I was thinking if you or anyone of us has some interesting "Setup Templates" similar to the New.MuSession that could be part of the MUTOOLS website and downloaded for beginners.
This could be more practical than a video for basic setups of Audio mono, stereo, multiple etc. or complementary to additional videos.
A collection of Templates in the Zip Package wouldn't hurt I think.

It could develop into a File>Choose Template>Type etc.

What do you think? (Any thoughts from others?)

Would this be more useful? It could potentially be trouble as you can't predict how users have configured their inputs...

A choose template option would be cool. In the meantime, even a "save this project as default" feature in the file menu (basically just automating a New.Musession save) would be pretty neat and bring template functionality to novice users.