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TheGuysanIdiot · Post by **TheGuysanIdiot** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:17 am

Hi again,

I have done a MUX patch.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/0vcjudas2s5yvd8/Dual Voice.Mux

This gets a dual voice with Ahhs (0 - 127) and Ehhs (0 - 127). The balance knob is then mapped to my mod wheel.

I play a note and hold it. Then move the mod wheel and the sound morphs between Ahhs and Ehhs.

So I guess using velocity mappings and devices such as balancers you may be able to get quad voices etc.

Anyway this was just a quick test to see if I could get some morphing between voices using a mod wheel.

Hopefully the MUX patch will work on your PC.

OZ

Improviser · Post by **Improviser** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:26 am

TheGuysanIdiot wrote:A quick 10 minute mess about with your test choir using both A and E samples.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/qlpdfe8ua8egu0f/Choir.mp3

OZ

Hello Oz

I'm back home from holidays, and was listening to "Choir.mp3".
It prompted a question (slightly off topic, so I hope you won't mind that).

My experience with effects processing is at an early stage (ie playing around with Mulab's reverb, and delay, and one or two free vst plugins, etc).

So, just hearing your nice reverb (or delay ?), lingering and smoothly fading for 2 seconds (eg about 25-seconds into the track), I wonder if that sort of effect is achievable with Mulab's in-built effects, or does it require expensive vst's ?

sorohanro wrote:http://www.mediafire.com/?anuyv11086bqttq

Here, a multisampla patch demo ...

Thanks sorohanro. Will be following this with interest.

Les J.

suecae_sounds · Post by **suecae_sounds** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:29 am

Improviser:

I don't know what effects sorohanro used, but when it comes to free effects, there's a lot worse then TAL:
http://kunz.corrupt.ch/

Improviser · Post by **Improviser** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:45 am

suecae_sounds wrote:Improviser:

I don't know what effects sorohanro used, but when it comes to free effects, there's a lot worse then TAL:
http://kunz.corrupt.ch/

Hey, suecae_sounds, thanks for that !

I'm downloading their new "TAL-Reverb II" to have a look.
The audio demo mp3 sounds good, and the price is very good (free) !

They've also released a 64-bit version, which I'll try on my Windows 7 setup.

Thanks again.

Les J.

sorohanro · Post by **sorohanro** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:20 am

I turn my back to you guys for 5 minutes and you get all EPIC

Thanks OZ for the patch. This morning, before I was reading this I came up with something similar. Check it out here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?951w1d637bgwtla

It's two multisamplers in a MUX and a balancer.
Install notes - in the zip there is a "AEAE Choir.MuSynth" and that goes in MULAB/User/Library/MuSynth (you need to have the samples installed, this patch use same samples), and there is a demo project "AEAE test.MuSession" so you can see the automation there.

EDIT:
OZ patch sounds better than mine.
Double Edit:
OZ patch used in a "fast doodle"
http://audio.ngfiles.com/349000/349452_ ... r_demo.mp3

So... now we move forward and try to make this for more than 2 sounds ? 5 is the limit (AEIOU). Next thing to think how to do a similar thing with 5.

@Improviser
I try to use only Mu.Lab devices. What I try is to make stuff that is sort of "self contained" in Mu.Lab.
But if you really really want an awesome reverb, I suggest getting Freeverb3, a impulse based reverb (impulse loader dll, and get some good impulses here:
http://www.rhythminmind.net/presetblog/tag/impulse/
http://noisevault.com/nv/index.php?opti ... &Itemid=29
If you play guitar, you can use that to load also cabinet impulses or amp, and if you want to play around, you can load even microphone impulses.

TheGuysanIdiot · Post by **TheGuysanIdiot** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:27 pm

Hi Improviser,

Everything I present here on the MUTOOLS forum is done exclusively with MU.LAB synths and effects.

So the reverb you are hearing is Giant Hall as a send.

Track 1 is Choir Test with a send to Giant Hall.
Track 2 is Breathy Choir another MU.LAB preset.
Track 3 is Funeral Bass another MU.LAB preset.

Basically all three tracks play a similar melody line.

The melody if you can call it that was just the first thing that came to my head.

Also note that the above presets have effects built-in so go it to the deep editor to see what is in them.

I then render to a WAV.

Import the WAV into Audacity the freeware audio editor.

I put a fade in at the start and a fade out at the end. Then export as MP3.

So if you want a great reverb it is already in MU.LAB.

All the above took approx 10 minutes start to finish.

Again I post stuff quickly and do not worry about fine detail as I just want people to see basic song ideas techniques etc.

OZ

TheGuysanIdiot · Post by **TheGuysanIdiot** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:38 pm

Hi Mihai,

I have stuff to do for the rest of the day I will look at your postings/downloads tonight and comment later.

Bye for now!

OZ

Improviser · Post by **Improviser** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:02 pm

sorohanro wrote:
@Improviser
I try to use only Mu.Lab devices. What I try is to make stuff that is sort of "self contained" in Mu.Lab.
But if you really really want an awesome reverb, I suggest getting Freeverb3, a impulse based reverb (impulse loader dll, and get some good impulses here:
http://www.rhythminmind.net/presetblog/tag/impulse/
http://noisevault.com/nv/index.php?opti ... &Itemid=29
If you play guitar, you can use that to load also cabinet impulses or amp, and if you want to play around, you can load even microphone impulses.

Hello Mihai.

I agree, using Mulab or self-contained stuff is better - but thanks also for the Freeverb3 suggestion. I've downloaded it, and will have a play with impulses, etc later - including the ones you've mentioned.

Thanks a lot !

Les J.

Improviser · Post by **Improviser** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:48 pm

TheGuysanIdiot wrote:Hi Improviser,

Everything I present here on the MUTOOLS forum is done exclusively with MU.LAB synths and effects.

So the reverb you are hearing is Giant Hall as a send ....
OZ

Thanks OZ.

You stimulated me to have another play with the Giant Hall preset in MuVerb, and now I've found some settings that I like !

The default preset seems to have 'Decay' set at max (98%), but I've reduced it a bit, to about 90%. And I've increased the 'Damping' setting, from 0%, to about 50%.
Ive left the other settings unchanged, at zero, and it seems to produce the sort of thing I'm wanting, without being too 'giant' !

Thanks for sharing stuff with us !

Les J.

sorohanro · Post by **sorohanro** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:53 pm

For now the patch is going through 3 octaves.
How about it goes through 2 octaves and you have two patches in one multisampla and two multisamplers in a patch like OZ's one ?

Still a problem because it can have just 4 vowels out of 5... still, more than 2.
Ideas ? opinions ? feedback ?
Or maybe we wait until Jo is back and ask him to create a device like balancer but with more than 2 inputs ?

TheGuysanIdiot · Post by **TheGuysanIdiot** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:13 pm

Hi Mihai,

I have spent a short amount of time this evening and have managed to come up with a MUX patch that can morph all 5 vowels.

I have not tested it fully yet and it may be too complex to be usable.

Anyway I will work on it some more over the next day or so.

Talk more later.

Goodnight.

OZ

sorohanro · Post by **sorohanro** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:21 pm

You're officially awesome.

mind to give at least a hint ?

TheGuysanIdiot · Post by **TheGuysanIdiot** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:31 am

Hi Mihai,

I have been out all morning and will be out and about all day today.

I will be back later tonight and post the completed MUX patch once I have done testing etc.

OK now for the hint.

A whole bunch of Multisamplas and balancers. It is the routing that gives all the combinations of morphing.

I need to test it fully to make sure I have the routing done correctly.

I have sampled my own voice so that I have separate A E I O U samples to play with.

I will upload when done.

This solution is just a prototype it may lead to further ideas and as you say Jo may be able to code another module that may be neater, or have other solutions, who knows.

This is just going down one route the final solution may be down another, at least we are moving it on.

Anyway I think morphing samples may become a good tool in general.

Must dash talk later.

OZ

sorohanro · Post by **sorohanro** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:57 am

Thanks OZ.
Soon I'll have more voices and I will upload the whole choir so you can work with the "real deal"

TheGuysanIdiot · Post by **TheGuysanIdiot** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:55 pm

Hi Mihai,

This prototype is probably a bit over complex as it involves the use of 5 controllers. But it does allow all 5 vowels to be morphed.

So that:

"A" can morph with "E, I, O, U" separately and all other vowels can morph with all other vowels.

Also each vowel can be used on its own.

Samples A & E share a balancer.
Samples I & O share a balancer
Samples U and NONE share a balancer.

The above balancers feed into other balancers but look closely at the "U" balancer and where the "U" balancer goes.

OK

By setting up the balancers you will find paths for all the morphing.

I will give one example:

Set balancer [A E] to 0.0%
Set balancer [A-E I-O] to 0.0%
Set balancer to 0.0%
Set balancer [A-E-I-O U] to 0.0%
Set balancer to 100%

This will give vowel "A" on its own.

Then set balancer [A E] to 100%

with give you "E" on its own.

Then set balancer [A E] to 50%

gives blend of A and E.

OK I could list all the combinations but it would take a long time.

Just give it a try and see what knob does what.

Each knob can be assigned to a controller.

Each knob can have its automation recorded.

Once the automation is recorded you can edit each knobs automation.

I have used my own samples "A E I O U" which I will include.

I have posted this message first to let you read it and try to understand it.

I will post the files in about an hour.

Please forgive any typing errors in the instructions above. Basically the MUX patch works you just need to play with it and see how it works.

OZ

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