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- KVRAF
- 5573 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth
Or you can drag the fifth Track a level or more up
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- KVRist
- 56 posts since 10 Sep, 2009 from GB
Talking of users who are either beginners or advanced in various dimensions, I'm new to both electronic music/synthesis and to DAWs, so I'm the lowest of the low. Maybe such a newbie's experience is helpful for tweaking Mu.Lab (or maybe it's too basic to be helpful).
As a child of the 70s/80s I think in terms of tracks: 24-track desks or 4-track portastudios (I recorded a couple of songs on a Tascam 4-track years ago with mics, guitars etc. with some bouncing down). Synths, MIDI and computer music went over my head - I never got into it and carried on playing 'real' instruments.
Then about a year ago I decided I was missing out too much on the modern world and started getting my head around MIDI, DAWs, VSTs etc. I looked for a free version of a multitrack thing (didn't know what to call it) and found Kristal which had the multitrack paradigm but no way to somehow 'make' a tune with a computer-based instrument. You can see how low my starting point is. A monster like Cubase seemed like an (expensive) sledgehammer to crack a nut and Google eventually led me to Mu.Lab.
Perfect! Intuitive multitrack interface, you can compose songs within it in a sequencer type thing, plug in different instruments, add effects, and mix down. It seemed just the thing to do what I wanted - make music like, say, Stereolab or Philip Glass
With the free version of Mu.Lab 2 six tracks was just about ok and unlimited VSTs were great, but M3 tightened the restrictions so I bought the unlimited version. Creative fun and a modest level of recognition in slightly quirky music, here I come!
Working in a simple fashion with one VST per track is fine, but I haven't much clue about parts, the famous 'modular area', sends, rewires, and I have to admit the Mu.Lab documentation hasn't really helped me understand these things. I feel the need for an Electronic Music for Dummies book that uses Mu.Lab as its DAW, or _much_ more basic, hand-holding documentation/videos. E.g. going through the process of using MUX or MuSynth to create a new sound from scratch, or making a whole track in baby steps - 'this is how to add an LFO, this is what an LFO actually is and what you can do with it' kind of thing.
No doubt I haven't re-read through the docs or tutorials on the Web enough times, while experimenting, to let this stuff sink in, but time is tight and I just want to get up the learning curve quickly and easily. An oxymoron perhaps.
Hmm, I've written loads and realise I've actually said very little. It probably reflects my lack of knowledge. So, anyway, a vote for newbie-friendly docs and tutorials, and for keeping the tracks paradigm (assuming it doesn't break things for advanced users).
nn
As a child of the 70s/80s I think in terms of tracks: 24-track desks or 4-track portastudios (I recorded a couple of songs on a Tascam 4-track years ago with mics, guitars etc. with some bouncing down). Synths, MIDI and computer music went over my head - I never got into it and carried on playing 'real' instruments.
Then about a year ago I decided I was missing out too much on the modern world and started getting my head around MIDI, DAWs, VSTs etc. I looked for a free version of a multitrack thing (didn't know what to call it) and found Kristal which had the multitrack paradigm but no way to somehow 'make' a tune with a computer-based instrument. You can see how low my starting point is. A monster like Cubase seemed like an (expensive) sledgehammer to crack a nut and Google eventually led me to Mu.Lab.
Perfect! Intuitive multitrack interface, you can compose songs within it in a sequencer type thing, plug in different instruments, add effects, and mix down. It seemed just the thing to do what I wanted - make music like, say, Stereolab or Philip Glass
With the free version of Mu.Lab 2 six tracks was just about ok and unlimited VSTs were great, but M3 tightened the restrictions so I bought the unlimited version. Creative fun and a modest level of recognition in slightly quirky music, here I come!
Working in a simple fashion with one VST per track is fine, but I haven't much clue about parts, the famous 'modular area', sends, rewires, and I have to admit the Mu.Lab documentation hasn't really helped me understand these things. I feel the need for an Electronic Music for Dummies book that uses Mu.Lab as its DAW, or _much_ more basic, hand-holding documentation/videos. E.g. going through the process of using MUX or MuSynth to create a new sound from scratch, or making a whole track in baby steps - 'this is how to add an LFO, this is what an LFO actually is and what you can do with it' kind of thing.
No doubt I haven't re-read through the docs or tutorials on the Web enough times, while experimenting, to let this stuff sink in, but time is tight and I just want to get up the learning curve quickly and easily. An oxymoron perhaps.
Hmm, I've written loads and realise I've actually said very little. It probably reflects my lack of knowledge. So, anyway, a vote for newbie-friendly docs and tutorials, and for keeping the tracks paradigm (assuming it doesn't break things for advanced users).
nn
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- KVRian
- 1233 posts since 29 Dec, 2008 from Lithuania
@nicenoise
Love you for bringing up Philip Glass
Also, you do have a valid point in "newbie-friendly docs and tutorials".
Love you for bringing up Philip Glass
Also, you do have a valid point in "newbie-friendly docs and tutorials".
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- KVRian
- 731 posts since 25 Oct, 2008 from Holland
Well it seems to me a little bit hard to convince Jo from Mutools that the documentation for a new user is not clear enough
A example is the audiorecording thread here where it is not clear how the audiorecording exactly works.
I hope that Mutools is goiing to add "audiotracks" in the composerscreen with monitoring inputs and outputs, than it looks much more a normal daw
I like to see Midi events tracks and Audio tracks than you now what the do as new user
Should be fantastic as this works and than we can concentrate on modules in the modular area and the experencied users can go wild and make outstanding pieces of music
To make new sounds in Mulab or altering sounds that's a whole new topic on his own and i use the book becoming a synthesizer wizard as a start.
It seems that all sounds in MUlab are made via the Subtractive(Analog)synthesis method what is the process of taking a sound source that is rich in harmonic content and reducing and shaping those harmonics with a filter
OSC=>FILTER=>AMPLIFIER ( the basic audio path in a synthesizer )
You can recognise this audiopath as you study in the modular area a preset sound.. try it
A example is the audiorecording thread here where it is not clear how the audiorecording exactly works.
I hope that Mutools is goiing to add "audiotracks" in the composerscreen with monitoring inputs and outputs, than it looks much more a normal daw
I like to see Midi events tracks and Audio tracks than you now what the do as new user
Should be fantastic as this works and than we can concentrate on modules in the modular area and the experencied users can go wild and make outstanding pieces of music
To make new sounds in Mulab or altering sounds that's a whole new topic on his own and i use the book becoming a synthesizer wizard as a start.
It seems that all sounds in MUlab are made via the Subtractive(Analog)synthesis method what is the process of taking a sound source that is rich in harmonic content and reducing and shaping those harmonics with a filter
OSC=>FILTER=>AMPLIFIER ( the basic audio path in a synthesizer )
You can recognise this audiopath as you study in the modular area a preset sound.. try it
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 20 posts since 14 Nov, 2008
Mm… I believe that there it a real change to be made there in the ergonomics and the presentation of the audio recording… ; -)
The ergonomics of the management of the audio, A my opinion it would be easier to manage the "Recording options" since the track concerned and not the botuon "Record":How do you mean?
1) The user opens a " new session"
2) He defines the type of his first track to be recorded as being audio or midi (Setup audio record or Setupe record event). For the audio he parameter the track by allotting the source of recording to him ("reconding options")...
3) Finally he records...
From a new session:
Set the "Monitor" to "Rack 1"
When the audio part is recorded it will appear in the first track.
Yes, very just, it is perfect ; -)
Un grand merci à tous
)F.
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- KVRist
- 308 posts since 10 Aug, 2009 from United Kingdom
Hi fuerchan,
Glad you are up and running now.
Welcome to the "World of MU.LAB" indeed.
Stick around MU.LAB will only get better and better.
OZ
Glad you are up and running now.
Welcome to the "World of MU.LAB" indeed.
Stick around MU.LAB will only get better and better.
OZ
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- KVRAF
- 5573 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth
MU.LAB a NORMAL DAW?!!!!!janamdo wrote: I hope that Mutools is goiing to add "audiotracks" in the composerscreen with monitoring inputs and outputs, than it looks much more a normal daw
This is why we are here> It's NOT the NORMAL DAW!
ABEFLGMOPPRRST
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- KVRian
- 731 posts since 25 Oct, 2008 from Holland
My idea is to add a optional trackheader( with no inputs and outputs to preserve the GUI)liquidsound wrote:MU.LAB a NORMAL DAW?!!!!!janamdo wrote: I hope that Mutools is goiing to add "audiotracks" in the composerscreen with monitoring inputs and outputs, than it looks much more a normal daw
This is why we are here> It's NOT the NORMAL DAW!
When there should be added a input/output also than it looks like a standard DAW, but that is not the case for now
I mean with a mormal DAW ..a standard DAW
But its a optional idea and Mulab is not willing to program the idea in MUlab
Please don't be so upset when someone has a idea.
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- KVRAF
- 5573 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth
Upset? Far from it.janamdo wrote:My idea is to add a optional trackheader( with no inputs and outputs to preserve the GUI)liquidsound wrote:MU.LAB a NORMAL DAW?!!!!!janamdo wrote: I hope that Mutools is goiing to add "audiotracks" in the composerscreen with monitoring inputs and outputs, than it looks much more a normal daw
This is why we are here> It's NOT the NORMAL DAW!
When there should be added a input/output also than it looks like a standard DAW, but that is not the case for now
I mean with a mormal DAW ..a standard DAW
But its a optional idea and Mulab is not willing to program the idea in MUlab
Please don't be so upset when someone has a idea.
I think you have many ideas and some are actually unique and in some cases even cool but me too I need to think Mu-Way in order to partecipate in the same direction of Jo's vision because it seems to be many steps haead of us due to is very Vision that is born out of his Mind, not ours.
I like the way Mu.Lab is going and I must admit that even though I would like to see many personal addition to suit "my way" of doing things, overal Jo has a better understanding of where he wants to lead us.
This is why you find many times little walls here and there. He's looking out from space while we are busy walking the path down here while trying to co-create.
Enjoy this ride.
ABEFLGMOPPRRST
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 20 posts since 14 Nov, 2008
Hello,
Yes, it is what I understood in time…: -)
My frequency of use will not be intense, but if I have remarks to bring, then I would make it if that can help…
Thank you; -)
F.
Yes, it is what I understood in time…: -)
My frequency of use will not be intense, but if I have remarks to bring, then I would make it if that can help…
Thank you; -)
F.
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- KVRAF
- 7412 posts since 8 Feb, 2003 from London, UK
Yes, please do -- without your input, Jo wouldn't now be considering a clean, flexible and easy to use update to the recording interface. It's one of Jo's key goals to keep the application easy and "obvious" but also consistent. So, whilst it's not going to work like every other DAW out there, it shouldn't be hard to do "simple" things like record.