Today I hope I'll finish at least the AA patch, with all the loop points and stuff. It's going slower than I thought. Anyway, I wake up doing that and I go to sleep also after doing that
The Choir Project Development/ Help
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1233 posts since 29 Dec, 2008 from Lithuania
OZ, I liked very much your second idea, the AEIOU patch. Even that it was a bit complicated to use live, for now seems the best solution.
Today I hope I'll finish at least the AA patch, with all the loop points and stuff. It's going slower than I thought. Anyway, I wake up doing that and I go to sleep also after doing that
Today I hope I'll finish at least the AA patch, with all the loop points and stuff. It's going slower than I thought. Anyway, I wake up doing that and I go to sleep also after doing that
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TheGuysanIdiot TheGuysanIdiot https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=213066
- KVRist
- 308 posts since 10 Aug, 2009 from United Kingdom
Hi Mihai,
I am in for the rest of the night.
So I will try to think of a hybrid myself, so far I too like the second MUX patch. Agreed it is not really for live use.
I will get some paper clear my mind and see if I can think/make a third prototype that is more friendly towards live use.
I find this kind of solution searching fun and keeps my mind active.
Bye for now!
OZ
I am in for the rest of the night.
So I will try to think of a hybrid myself, so far I too like the second MUX patch. Agreed it is not really for live use.
I will get some paper clear my mind and see if I can think/make a third prototype that is more friendly towards live use.
I find this kind of solution searching fun and keeps my mind active.
Bye for now!
OZ
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TheGuysanIdiot TheGuysanIdiot https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=213066
- KVRist
- 308 posts since 10 Aug, 2009 from United Kingdom
Hi Mihai,
I have given more thought to this and with the current MU.LAB modules the two solutions I have presented seem to work OK in offline/edit mode but neither is great for live use.
So for now I would probably use the second patch idea the one called velocity rather than speechy.
I could improve the velocity model by adding another Multisampla with only "E" samples in that one, then add a balancer between "A and E" and map to mod wheel.
This way you would have two sample types to morph between for live mode and then switch to the multi mode AEIOU for offline editing.
It would be nice to morph between AEIOU in live mode using a mod wheel but without additional new MU.LAB module I currently cannot see how to do this easily.
Just thinking out aloud a new MIDI module that sat above 5 Multisamplas (A, E, I, O, U). This new module has one knob and five outs each out goes to a separate Multisampla the knob is then mapped to the mod wheel.
This new MIDI module does not work on velocity rather a percentage system.
Mod wheel at 0-19 % route goes to A
Mod wheel at 20-39 % route goes to E
and so on
Therefore all sample types could play at (0 - 127) velocity.
The mod wheel simply switches to A, E, I, O and U and this new percentage system value is then recorded and automation edited etc.
Anyway the above is just a pie in the sky idea no idea if this could or would be programmed. I just think for a live solution to be perfect it will need Jo and the way he thinks to take this project to the next level.
So my current velocity prototype is the one I will stick with and try your up and coming patches when done.
Hopefully Jo on his return will have another route to take us on.
At least at this point in time we can morph 5 vowels and that is at least a good thing. OK for offline editing not great for live use.
That is me done on ideas for now I will leave it to others to create MUX patch solutions if anyone can crack the solution with the existing MU.LAB modules.
OZ
I have given more thought to this and with the current MU.LAB modules the two solutions I have presented seem to work OK in offline/edit mode but neither is great for live use.
So for now I would probably use the second patch idea the one called velocity rather than speechy.
I could improve the velocity model by adding another Multisampla with only "E" samples in that one, then add a balancer between "A and E" and map to mod wheel.
This way you would have two sample types to morph between for live mode and then switch to the multi mode AEIOU for offline editing.
It would be nice to morph between AEIOU in live mode using a mod wheel but without additional new MU.LAB module I currently cannot see how to do this easily.
Just thinking out aloud a new MIDI module that sat above 5 Multisamplas (A, E, I, O, U). This new module has one knob and five outs each out goes to a separate Multisampla the knob is then mapped to the mod wheel.
This new MIDI module does not work on velocity rather a percentage system.
Mod wheel at 0-19 % route goes to A
Mod wheel at 20-39 % route goes to E
and so on
Therefore all sample types could play at (0 - 127) velocity.
The mod wheel simply switches to A, E, I, O and U and this new percentage system value is then recorded and automation edited etc.
Anyway the above is just a pie in the sky idea no idea if this could or would be programmed. I just think for a live solution to be perfect it will need Jo and the way he thinks to take this project to the next level.
So my current velocity prototype is the one I will stick with and try your up and coming patches when done.
Hopefully Jo on his return will have another route to take us on.
At least at this point in time we can morph 5 vowels and that is at least a good thing. OK for offline editing not great for live use.
That is me done on ideas for now I will leave it to others to create MUX patch solutions if anyone can crack the solution with the existing MU.LAB modules.
OZ
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1233 posts since 29 Dec, 2008 from Lithuania
I would personally go with the second, more complex preset.
You can make several automations (A-E, A-i, I-E...etc) and somehow trigger those by some keys...
Anyway, I'm not a live user of Mu.Lab so...
First patch, the "AAAA" is ready for download.
http://www.mediafire.com/?j7k84gxzojc0hd4
The zip itself is named MuSynth, unzip and put folder "Virtual Choir" into MULAB/User/Library/MuSynth and the patch "A Choir.MuSynth" also there.
in "Virtual Choir" there is a folder "Choir A", there are all the "AAAA" samples. In the future will be "Choir E", "Choir I" etc and those will be put in the same "Virtual Choir" folder.
Also, if someone want the samples unedited of voices separately, feel free to ask.
You can make several automations (A-E, A-i, I-E...etc) and somehow trigger those by some keys...
Anyway, I'm not a live user of Mu.Lab so...
First patch, the "AAAA" is ready for download.
http://www.mediafire.com/?j7k84gxzojc0hd4
The zip itself is named MuSynth, unzip and put folder "Virtual Choir" into MULAB/User/Library/MuSynth and the patch "A Choir.MuSynth" also there.
in "Virtual Choir" there is a folder "Choir A", there are all the "AAAA" samples. In the future will be "Choir E", "Choir I" etc and those will be put in the same "Virtual Choir" folder.
Also, if someone want the samples unedited of voices separately, feel free to ask.
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TheGuysanIdiot TheGuysanIdiot https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=213066
- KVRist
- 308 posts since 10 Aug, 2009 from United Kingdom
Hi Mihai,
I forgot I had done 3 MUX patches
The first was the dual voice.
The second was the complex SPEECHY.
The third was the simple VELOCITY.
OK
So hopefully you mean you like SPEECHY which was the second/complex patch.
Indeed SPEECHY is probably most flexible for offline/edit and would need an octopus with many hands to use live.
If I wrote a song with such a complex patch it would be just a backing track, the live stuff such as drums and guitar would be played live etc.
Hopefully the SPEECHY method is what you like best.
Please can you confirm which you liked best DUAL/SPEECHY/VELOCITY?
I will then concentrate my testing on your preferred system first.
PS the download link above does not seem to work at the moment.
OZ
I forgot I had done 3 MUX patches
The first was the dual voice.
The second was the complex SPEECHY.
The third was the simple VELOCITY.
OK
So hopefully you mean you like SPEECHY which was the second/complex patch.
Indeed SPEECHY is probably most flexible for offline/edit and would need an octopus with many hands to use live.
If I wrote a song with such a complex patch it would be just a backing track, the live stuff such as drums and guitar would be played live etc.
Hopefully the SPEECHY method is what you like best.
Please can you confirm which you liked best DUAL/SPEECHY/VELOCITY?
I will then concentrate my testing on your preferred system first.
PS the download link above does not seem to work at the moment.
OZ
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TheGuysanIdiot TheGuysanIdiot https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=213066
- KVRist
- 308 posts since 10 Aug, 2009 from United Kingdom
Hi Mihai,
If SPEECHY is your preferred MUX patch then using it offline/edit would be very flexible with automation edits etc.
If you took your band on the road to perform live you may need to advertise for an extra keyboard player.
OZ
If SPEECHY is your preferred MUX patch then using it offline/edit would be very flexible with automation edits etc.
If you took your band on the road to perform live you may need to advertise for an extra keyboard player.
OZ
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1233 posts since 29 Dec, 2008 from Lithuania
SPEECHY was indeed my favorite patch until now.
Sorry for the not working link. It seems that Mediafire is having some problems. I will upload it to upload.com and I'll be back.
A, and I totally totally loved the drawing... or is it a photo with my band's new member ?
Sorry for the not working link. It seems that Mediafire is having some problems. I will upload it to upload.com and I'll be back.
A, and I totally totally loved the drawing... or is it a photo with my band's new member ?
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- KVRAF
- 7412 posts since 8 Feb, 2003 from London, UK
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TheGuysanIdiot TheGuysanIdiot https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=213066
- KVRist
- 308 posts since 10 Aug, 2009 from United Kingdom
No he cannot sing but the octopus has a sister and she does the drums and vocals.
OZ
OZ
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1233 posts since 29 Dec, 2008 from Lithuania
http://uploading.com/files/c4a6a7fe/MuSynth.zip/sorohanro wrote: First patch, the "AAAA" is ready for download.
http://www.mediafire.com/?j7k84gxzojc0hd4
The zip itself is named MuSynth, unzip and put folder "Virtual Choir" into MULAB/User/Library/MuSynth and the patch "A Choir.MuSynth" also there.
in "Virtual Choir" there is a folder "Choir A", there are all the "AAAA" samples. In the future will be "Choir E", "Choir I" etc and those will be put in the same "Virtual Choir" folder.
Also, if someone want the samples unedited of voices separately, feel free to ask.
Here's nother try to make the patch downloadable. For the moment Mediafire is not woking... at all...
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TheGuysanIdiot TheGuysanIdiot https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=213066
- KVRist
- 308 posts since 10 Aug, 2009 from United Kingdom
Hi Mihai,
Had a spare 15 minutes so I just did a little track using the A Choir and only MU.LAB presets and effects.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/07ra9azk7 ... IRTEST.mp3
OZ
Had a spare 15 minutes so I just did a little track using the A Choir and only MU.LAB presets and effects.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/07ra9azk7 ... IRTEST.mp3
OZ
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1233 posts since 29 Dec, 2008 from Lithuania
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TheGuysanIdiot TheGuysanIdiot https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=213066
- KVRist
- 308 posts since 10 Aug, 2009 from United Kingdom
Morning Mihai,
Before I do my usual day job stuff I looked at the SPEECHY MUX patch again to see if I could reduce the amount of balancers/controllers.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/1gyk9e6rs ... Y-MKII.zip
I have created SPEECH MARK II.
Put the folder and patch in your /user/MUX area as usual.
Open up the play editor of SPEECHY-MKII.
You will now only see 4 balancers the previous MUX patch had 5. So one less balancer and one less controller so it is a bit more user friendly.
Set the [A-E-I-O U] balancer to 0.0% (this turns OFF U)
In this mode you should be able to play A, E, I, O as single voices and morph between them.
Set the [A-E-I-O U] balancer to 100.0% (this turns ON U)
Then move this same knob and you can morph U with all the other vowels using the "other" balancers in the MUX patch.
Hope this all makes sense. I have tested it and I can morph all vowels with it.
If you get stuck let me know which single voice or morph you could not get and I will send you the balancer settings.
On my Axiom 49 controller I have sliders so I mapped 4 sliders one to each knob. Set the tempo of the song to a lower tempo and then record the choir and move the sliders this gives more time to move the sliders and see how this may work both offline and live. As you get better with the sliders the tempo can be increased to live performance speeds.
To make things easier for live use just have your least used voice in the "U" sampler so that most of the time you only need to use 3 sliders.
OZ
Before I do my usual day job stuff I looked at the SPEECHY MUX patch again to see if I could reduce the amount of balancers/controllers.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/1gyk9e6rs ... Y-MKII.zip
I have created SPEECH MARK II.
Put the folder and patch in your /user/MUX area as usual.
Open up the play editor of SPEECHY-MKII.
You will now only see 4 balancers the previous MUX patch had 5. So one less balancer and one less controller so it is a bit more user friendly.
Set the [A-E-I-O U] balancer to 0.0% (this turns OFF U)
In this mode you should be able to play A, E, I, O as single voices and morph between them.
Set the [A-E-I-O U] balancer to 100.0% (this turns ON U)
Then move this same knob and you can morph U with all the other vowels using the "other" balancers in the MUX patch.
Hope this all makes sense. I have tested it and I can morph all vowels with it.
If you get stuck let me know which single voice or morph you could not get and I will send you the balancer settings.
On my Axiom 49 controller I have sliders so I mapped 4 sliders one to each knob. Set the tempo of the song to a lower tempo and then record the choir and move the sliders this gives more time to move the sliders and see how this may work both offline and live. As you get better with the sliders the tempo can be increased to live performance speeds.
To make things easier for live use just have your least used voice in the "U" sampler so that most of the time you only need to use 3 sliders.
OZ
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1233 posts since 29 Dec, 2008 from Lithuania
Brilliant !
That's what I'll be using, at least for now.
I will credit by name and eventually links to websites/ blogs/ MySpace/ whatever/ everybody involved into this project.
Please let me know how you want to be credited for your work
That's what I'll be using, at least for now.
I will credit by name and eventually links to websites/ blogs/ MySpace/ whatever/ everybody involved into this project.
Please let me know how you want to be credited for your work
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TheGuysanIdiot TheGuysanIdiot https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=213066
- KVRist
- 308 posts since 10 Aug, 2009 from United Kingdom
Hi Mihai,
Bottom line is I am just happy to help as I find this stuff interesting etc.
If you wish to add my name and web site to your future credits I would be most flattered.
It is not essential for me so I will leave it up to you.
"Richard Osborn"
and web site is in my KVR signature.
Again I am just glad to help in my small way.
OZ
Bottom line is I am just happy to help as I find this stuff interesting etc.
If you wish to add my name and web site to your future credits I would be most flattered.
It is not essential for me so I will leave it up to you.
"Richard Osborn"
and web site is in my KVR signature.
Again I am just glad to help in my small way.
OZ