FL Studio has C5 root/midle note insted of C3. Why?

[kmonkey]

Out of pure curiosity - why FL Studio is the only one Host for which i know (i have Cubase 5, tried Sonar 8, Reaper, Energy XT, Podium, saw Logic on Mac, even Reason) which have root/middle note labeled as "C5" instead of "C3"? Root/middle note can be relative i know but i speak about some sort of standard which is accepted by 99% VST seq. developers. But not by 1%. That 1% is just FL Studio.

Note that my english is pretty awful but you'll get the point if you try to use FL Studio piano roll (which is apart from different note labeling best piano roll i ever experienced).

Even after two years of constant switching between Cubase and FL i never adopted to that. It seems very confusing for some music parts (orchestra, synth anything) and less confusing for other (drawing drums in piano roll).

Another example is VST. Some drum machines(instrument mapping), some Synths and Samplers which have that parameter on GUI. I always end confused when i see or set up C3 on VST but in FL Studio in piano roll i need to press/draw C5 instead of C3 to get C3 played actually.

In every other host i tested in my history if C3 is C3 then C3 is C3 in piano roll host and VST itself.

I mean it's not confusing for someone which just started that is ok. But for someone who used "c3" as root note for years it get annoying.


I asked Gol several years earlier but he told me that i should ask Cakewalk about it!! Yes that is right. Cakewalk?!?!! That was his answer in old forum. I am asking here, several years later, maybe someone pulled other answer from him.

I am also interested is there any way to change this? Friend told me that i can actually change that keyboard picture in FL Piano roll so i could probably change it somehow. Any tips?

[VariKusBrainZ]

Because there is no standard

[Meffy]

Because there is no standard :?

Truth. The MIDI standard does not define which octave a given MIDI note number is associated with. It's up to implementors to decide, and not all decide alike. You can't say "this or that company is to blame," it's the MIDI standard's lack of definition that is at fault here.

[monkeymanx]

I wonder if you can change it in the settings. When you use it for drum sequencing as a vsti in cubase the drums all sound high pitched. Probably because of the different root notes.

[kmonkey]

Because there is no standard

I know i said it's relative? Is it so hard to understand this?

I asked does anybody know how it happened that of all existing VST Host/sequencers only FL Studio has different naming in piano roll while everyone else(literally) has THE SAME?

I asked did anybody get reasonable answer on this (in the meantime) and is there any way i can change it by myself. I've looked in FL Studio folder today and i see there is a lot of bmp files but i don't want to mess with that and end with buggy FL Studio. Most probably some FL Studio skin developer know something about this. Maybe tony can say?

[ouroboros]

Most midi drum files I have work well when imported into the FL piano roll.
As far as a global setting, I don't think anything can be done, but of course in the channel itself, right clicking on the c3 resets the root there.

[Meffy]

Come on, ouroboros, admit it -- you cheated.

You RTFM, didn't you?

[ouroboros]

...shhh...I have a reputation to protect...

[Meffy]

Oops. *paw over muzzle* Forry afout that.

[kmonkey]

Most midi drum files I have work well when imported into the FL piano roll.
As far as a global setting, I don't think anything can be done, but of course in the channel itself, right clicking on the c3 resets the root there.

Every MIDI file work in FL Studio for me. That is not my problem. And i am not talking about reseting the root note of the sample in channel i know for that.

What i want to say is that labeling is different. In other Host (really any other out there) when i press C3 on my hardware keyboard, C3 is pressed inside Host piano roll. It is labeled as C3 inside host piano roll etc. Thus i always start to draw notes on my C3 (when i am not using HW keyboard).

But when i press that same C3 key on my hardware controller then in FL Studio i see C5 as pressed. Thus when i want to draw notes which normally start in other host at C3 for FL Studio i must think in advance that i need to start to draw notes at C5 because if i start to draw them in FL Studio C3 they will sound two octaves lower.

Hmm...i guess i need to prepare screenshot because my english is quite bad..

EDIT: here is the screenshot. I created midi file in Cubase. Notice simple C3. Once when i export it as midi and import it to FL Studio - it is labeled as C5 ? That is what i am trying to say. Note that it will play correctly - i am saying that i have problem when drawing notes or assigning them etc. Because FL Studio piano roll has different labeling of notes. Hopefully i am more clear now about my problem (which is not any kind of showstoper for me).

[AdmiralQuality]

Because there is no standard

Truth. The MIDI standard does not define which octave a given MIDI note number is associated with. It's up to implementors to decide, and not all decide alike. You can't say "this or that company is to blame," it's the MIDI standard's lack of definition that is at fault here.

The MIDI spec defines note 60 as middle C. This puts the lowest C (note=0) below subsonic at 16.352 Hz. What MIDI doesn't define is how to designate the octaves. Is the bottom octave named -1? 0? 1? "Subsubcontra"? MIDI doesn't know, nor care, what you call it.

Of course an instrument is free to produce whatever pitch it likes for a given note number, or no pitch at all, or to arbitrarily map sounds to keys (as in a drum map). But there's no ambiguity there, the MIDI note number is the note number. The only issue is what various hosts decide to name the octaves. Which I guess is the issue here. Purely cosmetic.

[Bronto Scorpio]

Most midi drum files I have work well when imported into the FL piano roll.
As far as a global setting, I don't think anything can be done, but of course in the channel itself, right clicking on the c3 resets the root there.

Every MIDI file work in FL Studio for me. That is not my problem. And i am not talking about reseting the root note of the sample in channel i know for that.

What i want to say is that labeling is different. In other Host (really any other out there) when i press C3 on my hardware keyboard, C3 is pressed inside Host piano roll. It is labeled as C3 inside host piano roll etc. Thus i always start to draw notes on my C3 (when i am not using HW keyboard).

But when i press that same C3 key on my hardware controller then in FL Studio i see C5 as pressed. Thus when i want to draw notes which normally start in other host at C3 for FL Studio i must think in advance that i need to start to draw notes at C5 because if i start to draw them in FL Studio C3 they will sound two octaves lower.

Hmm...i guess i need to prepare screenshot because my english is quite bad..

I exactly know what you mean. I use cubase for a quite long time. But I bought Fruity as an addition a few weeks back. And the whole C3 and C5 thing is really confusing. I always start to "draw" some synth lines on C3 in Fruity and ask myself why the sound suddenly is pitched down 2 octaves.

But I think I'll get used to this.....maybe

Cheers
Dennis

[Bronto Scorpio]

Because there is no standard

Truth. The MIDI standard does not define which octave a given MIDI note number is associated with. It's up to implementors to decide, and not all decide alike. You can't say "this or that company is to blame," it's the MIDI standard's lack of definition that is at fault here.

The MIDI spec defines note 60 as middle C. This puts the lowest C (note=0) below subsonic at 16.352 Hz. What MIDI doesn't define is how to designate the octaves. Is the bottom octave named -1? 0? 1? "Subsubcontra"? MIDI doesn't know, nor care, what you call it.

Of course an instrument is free to produce whatever pitch it likes for a given note number, or no pitch at all, or to arbitrarily map sounds to keys (as in a drum map). But there's no ambiguity there, the MIDI note number is the note number. The only issue is what various hosts decide to name the octaves. Which I guess is the issue here. Purely cosmetic.

Exactly.The note number 60 simply is C5 instead of C3 in Fruity. Purely cosmetic as you said. No need to change root notes and stuff like that

Cheers
Dennis

[kmonkey]

Because there is no standard

Truth. The MIDI standard does not define which octave a given MIDI note number is associated with. It's up to implementors to decide, and not all decide alike. You can't say "this or that company is to blame," it's the MIDI standard's lack of definition that is at fault here.

The MIDI spec defines note 60 as middle C. This puts the lowest C (note=0) below subsonic at 16.352 Hz. What MIDI doesn't define is how to designate the octaves. Is the bottom octave named -1? 0? 1? "Subsubcontra"? MIDI doesn't know, nor care, what you call it.

Of course an instrument is free to produce whatever pitch it likes for a given note number, or no pitch at all, or to arbitrarily map sounds to keys (as in a drum map). But there's no ambiguity there, the MIDI note number is the note number. The only issue is what various hosts decide to name the octaves. Which I guess is the issue here. Purely cosmetic.

Exactly.The note number 60 simply is C5 instead of C3 in Fruity. Purely cosmetic as you said. No need to change root notes and stuff like that

Cheers
Dennis

I am not saying they should change root note, just labeling inside piano roll. See my above screenshot. AFAIK FL Studio is only one doing that sort of thing. Annoying for no particular reason.

[AdmiralQuality]

Annoying for no particular reason.

IL should consider that as a motto.