FL Studio has C5 root/midle note insted of C3. Why?

[kmonkey]

Annoying for no particular reason.

IL should consider that as a motto.

I can trade it to you for one Poly-Ana license (just kidding abut that but amazing thing honestly - anyone looking for vintage sound should consider your Poly Ana IMHO)

[Bronto Scorpio]

Annoying for no particular reason.

IL should consider that as a motto.

[Meffy]

What MIDI doesn't define is how to designate the octaves.

Yup. One little omission, lots of small inconvenience. But as you and others said, a small inconvenience is all it is. A matter of displayed values, nothing fundamental.

[AdmiralQuality]

Annoying for no particular reason.

IL should consider that as a motto.

I can trade it to you for one Poly-Ana license (just kidding abut that but amazing thing honestly - anyone looking for vintage sound should consider your Poly Ana IMHO)

I'm not sure what I'd do with it. The demo works fine for testing, which is all I'd ever want to do with it. (It's just a paradigm thing, I'm not into pattern sequencing, which I suppose is FLS's strong suit. I'm an old person, and prefer the multi-track studio paradigm.)

Thanks for the kind words.

[No_Use]

What MIDI doesn't define is how to designate the octaves.

That's why I find it a good idea if hosts had optional octave display offsets like the one I'm using.
Problem solved then.

[havran]

I think middle C is called C5 to make room for the sub bass.

[AdmiralQuality]

I think middle C is called C5 to make room for the sub bass.

That's a joke, right? As we've explained already, this changes nothing about what note you actually hear. It's just a label to be read by humans. It could say "C5", it could say "fartbubbles". It would still be the same note.

The most likely reason they call middle-C "C5" is because it's the 6th C of the MIDI notes and they start counting at zero. (The first 6 Cs are MIDI notes 0, 12, 24, 36, 48 and 60, which is defined by the MIDI spec to mean middle-C/262 Hz).

But long before MIDI, people still needed to designate octaves so there's various systems. Middle C is usually considered C4. (So Cubase is just as wrong!)

See these pages:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_c#D ... _by_octave

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Note#Note_ ... ctave_name

Oh and a correction to what I said above. MIDI note zero is 8.126 Hz. Well into "sub bass" territory.

[havran]

Yeah, but if you want your bass around 4 Hz you're gonna need another octave below that.

Yes, I'll admit it was half a joke and I was thinking about Tesla in a way, but I didn't know that about Midi note zero -- thanks for that info.

[tony tony chopper]

So Sonar's middle C is C3 now? When did that change? In its Cakewalk time it was C5, and that's why in FL it's C5. And this tells me that in 2005 it was still C5.
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=671372

[tony tony chopper]

That's a joke, right? As we've explained already, this changes nothing about what note you actually hear. It's just a label to be read by humans. It could say "C5", it could say "fartbubbles". It would still be the same note.

For once we agree.

Not everyone agrees with this, though, for me the main tuning standard (if tuning is needed, which is only for melodic stuff) is A=440, for some it's A4 that should be 440, for some it's A above middle C, which too can be interpreted differently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A440_(Concert_A) (here wikipedia refering to middle C as C4 btw)

But this doesn't matter as long as A=440. Afterall, a note can be said to have the same pitch as the octave above, just with its fundamental & half of its harmonics missing. Just like you can tap your feet at 60BPM or 240BPM over the same 120BPM song.

[AdmiralQuality]

Part of this is the fault of the original MIDI spec from 1983. (Which you still have to pay cash money to mail away for a paper copy of. This is why you never see the official spec online. I guess Yamaha, Roland and J. L. Cooper still want their nickels. http://www.midi.org/store/docsales.php -- seems pretty ridiculous in this day and age.)

Anyway, in the original MIDI spec they designated note names and octave numbers, and they put middle C as "C3". That's the only reason it's "right". But as it's completely arbitrary and doesn't affect the behavior of your instruments, who even cares?

Here's some more on the "issue" (which is hardly an issue at all).

http://tomscarff.110mb.com/midi_analyse ... ctaves.htm

[tony tony chopper]

Which you still have to pay cash money for to mail away for a paper copy of.

we did btw, and that's one good reason to hate the MIDI group. Having to pay for a stupid piece of paper in which of course you can't search. So when I need to check something from the MIDI specs, it's still faster to search in online docs from unofficial places than in those stupid binded books. I think that the MIDI group is still in '85, printing their specs using their Atari ST.

[AdmiralQuality]

I think that the MIDI group is still in '85, printing their specs using their Atari ST.

1983! I remember hooking my brand new Roland JX-3P up to my friend's brand new Yamaha DX-7 and thinking how amazing it was. (And all we could do was play one synth from the other's keyboard -- there weren't any sequencers to speak of yet. For most of that year, those were the only two pieces of gear with MIDI. But it made for some nice layered sounds. )

[stonestreet]

In every other host i tested in my history if C3 is C3 then C3 is C3 in piano roll host and VST itself.

Sorry a bit OT but is this one of St Augustine's Eternal Verities, true for all time? Oh no that was 7 and 3 is 10.

Have fun

[mandolarian]

Lucky for me, I create extreme music, so hardly ever play anything in the middle.