intervals or patterns

[jancivil]

one interview with Teach that he was very partickular about what's supposed to happing with teh twelve-tone row...

... It feels like I am just bullshitting us BOTH...

I started out really trying hard to do something but I wasn't into being graded as I thought on it.

Somehow I did internalize it and can improvise in dodecaphony sehr konvincingkly. I don't think people actually hear whether it works right by the book or not generally. Webern works for me, formally in a way I think Schoenberg didn't, but I'm too old and attenti0n span too deficient to read a book on why that might be. I tried about a year ago, as chewing gum for the brain, but I'm not up to it, not by a long ways. I got out some paper and pencil with that book - Forte? - but, no.

There is not one piece by Arnold S I can think of that I actually liked. Klangfarbenmelodie gets some texture into it, so Webern is just alright with me.

I think 12-tone is the natural progression of having equal temperament, it seems like the thing to do.

Bugs Lunaire is no slouch. Pretty sure it's wrong tho. 'By Ear'..

[sammy24]

Just one more idea for learning modes--

Break up every scale into 2, which are known as tetrachords. The advantage of thinking this way is that just a few types of tetrachords will combine into many modes. Also, 4 notes are way easier to visualize at first than 7. So for example, a so-called major tetrachord is made up of the intervals major 2nd, major 2nd, and minor 2nd. Or 2-2-1. And if you notice, major scales are just a combination of 2 of these major tetrachords (separated by a whole-step, or major 2nd). If you learn 4 basic tetrachords, you will have the materials to build all 7 modes of major:

Major Tetrachord: 2-2-1
Minor Tetrachord: 2-1-2
Phrygian Tetrachord: 1-2-2
Lydian Tetrachord: 2-2-2

Thats it. Now you just combine them to make the different modes. Ionian is 2 Major tetrachords. Dorian is 2 minor tetrachords (separated by a whole step, again). Phrygian is 2 Phrygian tetrachords (sep by whole step). Lydian is a Lydian tetrachord followed by a major tetrachord. (this time separated by a half-step). And so on..

I also find this method helps a lot with visualization, esp on piano. Even my guitarist friend had absolutely no problem identifying these tetrachords on a piano, the first time i taught him this. (and he plays no piano whatsoever). So learn all the major tetrachords visually on the keyboard, after a while the pattern of 2-2-1 will become very easy to visualize.

This method works for many other modes as well, but some of these have new kinds of tetrachords. But I think with just 8 tetrachords you can create all the modes you could possibly encounter.

[nhlt]

^^^^ that's a cool way to remember them , little tid bit organization things like these are neat . got any more ? anybody ?

[sammy24]

yeah one more thing-- the best way to learn them by far is to recognize the sound of each note of the mode from the tonic. When you can do this, you will remember the modes much better than any other intellectual memorization method. Work on identifying each note of a mode. The best way i have found is the solfege system, which designates syllables for every note. But it can be done without solfege, too. Soon you will be able to just sing notes from the mode, at random, start making melodies, etc. based on the mode. The point is to literally hear the mode, rather than just memorize it. You can use all the other memorization tools and organizational methods to help achieve this goal.

[chegabyte]

one interview with Teach that he was very partickular about what's supposed to happing with teh twelve-tone row...

... It feels like I am just bullshitting us BOTH...

I started out really trying hard to do something but I wasn't into being graded as I thought on it.

Somehow I did internalize it and can improvise in dodecaphony sehr konvincingkly. I don't think people actually hear whether it works right by the book or not generally. Webern works for me, formally in a way I think Schoenberg didn't, but I'm too old and attenti0n span too deficient to read a book on why that might be. I tried about a year ago, as chewing gum for the brain, but I'm not up to it, not by a long ways. I got out some paper and pencil with that book - Forte? - but, no.

There is not one piece by Arnold S I can think of that I actually liked. Klangfarbenmelodie gets some texture into it, so Webern is just alright with me.

I think 12-tone is the natural progression of having equal temperament, it seems like the thing to do.

Bugs Lunaire is no slouch. Pretty sure it's wrong tho. 'By Ear'..

is this the 12 tone style of music ?


finding it quite hard to listen to..
reminds me of the fast show taking the mick "Welcome to jazz club.."

[Ogg Vorbis]

is this the 12 tone style of music ?


finding it quite hard to listen to..
reminds me of the fast show taking the mick "Welcome to jazz club.."

Yes, M. Boulez was a composer of 12-tone serialism. Very organized stuff and yes, very challenging to audiences.

[chegabyte]

Yes, M. Boulez was a composer of 12-tone serialism. Very organized stuff and yes, very challenging to audiences.

hard to write hard, to listen to, and u guys had to compose this sort stuff for your degree thats quite heavy - i dont know how it can be graded in an unbiased way

[chegabyte]

just for cultural reference


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