Hi Receptor owners
I had a specific problem with VB3, as the SW produced an undesired "beeepp" occasionally, usually after 6 mins, and then every 30 - 45 mins. It was a sound like hitting the a key with full volume perc on and all drawbars in (0).
No upgrade from 1.2 and up helped. Guido couldn't help me either, the problem was unknown to others.
But it disappeared when I started to go through all midi parameters and re-mapping my two Voce drawbar units. Maybe there was an unresolved mapping somewhere. Anyways, if this was actually what sorted it out or not, I don't know. But the point is that it CAN be resolved (if you ever experience it).
I uninstalled VB3 several times, and re-installed V1.4 with AND without using Direct Installer. I found NO PROBLEM making the VB3 work with my Receptor 2 Pro. Don't worry about reinstalling this vst!
I also bought the B4 crossgrade to Vintage Organ. I had to see if NI could come close to VB3. Finally, after installing last version of the free Kontakt player, rescanning of libraries etc (I screwed up), I finally got Vintage Organ to work in Kontakt (which refuse to load after power up). Playing the new NI organ I was seriously astonished to hear the difference to B4, it sounded so good!.... That was until I discovered that I still was playing the VB3 channel....(arghh). Switching to Vintage Organ immeadetly brought back the B4 familiar sound. The warm sound disappeared, and the bass lost its full range power which is the most remarkable thing with VB3. My Vintage Organ and B4 license have practically become giveaways.
My conclusion is that there is nothing yet to come close to the VB3 as a VST organ in this price range. I have not played KeyB, but listening to the Hamichord MC-3 loaded with the special version of VB3 supports my view. I fooled my band the other day by turning off my old Leslie model 142, only using the VB3 simulation. Nobody heard the difference (only I :-)
_Eystein
VB3 v1.4, just a marvel, NI vintage organ...drop it
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- KVRist
- 103 posts since 10 Jan, 2007
Yep, good stuff!
I used to have a Hammond XM1 module with Korg G4 rotary effect, but I only use VB3 these days. I also really like the dual manual with split option. I use it for playing Misunderstood of Incognito with my cover band and the VST sounds really good for this...
Fedde
I used to have a Hammond XM1 module with Korg G4 rotary effect, but I only use VB3 these days. I also really like the dual manual with split option. I use it for playing Misunderstood of Incognito with my cover band and the VST sounds really good for this...
Fedde
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- KVRian
- 691 posts since 13 May, 2004 from Silicon Valley
Hi Everyone,
I've been playing the (Studiologic) Numa Organ. It is a collaboration of fatar and KeyB, based on the KeyB organ model. It sounds amazing to me - much better than results I previously got from VB3, (UVI) Charlie, or (NI) B4 II (just my opinion, YMMV). The leslie model and 'age' modelling on the tonewheel are stunning.
The keyboard feels nice, and is also a 73 note Midi controller.
Kevin L
I've been playing the (Studiologic) Numa Organ. It is a collaboration of fatar and KeyB, based on the KeyB organ model. It sounds amazing to me - much better than results I previously got from VB3, (UVI) Charlie, or (NI) B4 II (just my opinion, YMMV). The leslie model and 'age' modelling on the tonewheel are stunning.
The keyboard feels nice, and is also a 73 note Midi controller.
Kevin L
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- KVRist
- 126 posts since 22 Sep, 2009
Glad you like VB3. I also like the sound of it for certain type of music.
I don't really like the unnatural loundness of lower keys. As soon as you pass middle C, the sound level seems to jump several notches. If you're wearing headset, it's not as bad, but on a real PA, playing with the boys, it's basically unplayable. In essence, it stopped me from going to VB4. Not even sure if it has been fixed.
With my band, say I set my volume to average, I can't hear myself playing higher chords or notes, but in the lower end, I'm suddenly much louder then everyone else. The first time, they all looked at me wondering if something was wrong. I don't see how anyone can find this attractive or usefull in any situation.
As for the new organs in K7, I haven't played much with it but I didn't find much of an improvement over the old B4. I have to admit I was a bit disapointed.
Maybe once I get really familiar with it...
I don't really like the unnatural loundness of lower keys. As soon as you pass middle C, the sound level seems to jump several notches. If you're wearing headset, it's not as bad, but on a real PA, playing with the boys, it's basically unplayable. In essence, it stopped me from going to VB4. Not even sure if it has been fixed.
With my band, say I set my volume to average, I can't hear myself playing higher chords or notes, but in the lower end, I'm suddenly much louder then everyone else. The first time, they all looked at me wondering if something was wrong. I don't see how anyone can find this attractive or usefull in any situation.
As for the new organs in K7, I haven't played much with it but I didn't find much of an improvement over the old B4. I have to admit I was a bit disapointed.
Maybe once I get really familiar with it...
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- KVRist
- 223 posts since 2 Dec, 2006 from Minnesota
Try adjusting the "Balance" of the the Leslie. I also find the bass to be too heavy for band playing, but adjusting the balance parameter has helped for me.
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- KVRist
- 44 posts since 6 Mar, 2010
Gotta say, that Vintage Organs has very good Farfisa Compact and good Vox Continental. Don't forget that!
-Vm
-Vm
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 44 posts since 3 Jan, 2010
[quote="TWB121234"]Try adjusting the "Balance" of the the Leslie. I also find the bass to be too heavy for band playing, but adjusting the balance parameter has helped for me.
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that's a very good advice. However, you can also adjust the level with the leftmost drawbars.
The VB3 actually emulates a very correct bass level, the B3 and its sibs do have that punch when you pull out the 16" all the way. I know Guido has been very careful to do comparative tests with a real organ, and I notice it when the Leslie is used. The B4 simply lacks the original stuff. However, if you don't play bass with your left hand or pedals, I understand the need to ease off some level around 80-110Hz.
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that's a very good advice. However, you can also adjust the level with the leftmost drawbars.
The VB3 actually emulates a very correct bass level, the B3 and its sibs do have that punch when you pull out the 16" all the way. I know Guido has been very careful to do comparative tests with a real organ, and I notice it when the Leslie is used. The B4 simply lacks the original stuff. However, if you don't play bass with your left hand or pedals, I understand the need to ease off some level around 80-110Hz.
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- KVRian
- 524 posts since 25 Aug, 2005
Adeptio has nailed the issue. If you are used to B4 (or the Hammond XM1, both of which I have - and still use XM1 on some gigs - the bass is deficient. Personal opinion, it's faulty modeling of the foldback.
The first time I tried VB3 I thought I had accidentally played a recording of my A-100 that I had already recorded to the song. (I play old-school LH bass and 'kick' pedals, Jimmy Smith style, sort of - without the talent...) The basic sounds I use - Standard JOS 888 lead, 808000008, 80008888 were dead-on, for the first time, I felt natural 'squabbling'. (play octaves plus note in the middle, repeatedly and quickly roll the chord, usually with 80008888 or 80000888, Leslie on.)
But if you play rock organ and have a bass player, you need to compensate like you would with the real beast - DON'T PLAY below middle C, it gets in the bass player's space. If you must, then use a higher harmonic sound like 468000000 or 408000000... Or just the 8 ' drawbar.
(Or use B4...)
The first time I tried VB3 I thought I had accidentally played a recording of my A-100 that I had already recorded to the song. (I play old-school LH bass and 'kick' pedals, Jimmy Smith style, sort of - without the talent...) The basic sounds I use - Standard JOS 888 lead, 808000008, 80008888 were dead-on, for the first time, I felt natural 'squabbling'. (play octaves plus note in the middle, repeatedly and quickly roll the chord, usually with 80008888 or 80000888, Leslie on.)
But if you play rock organ and have a bass player, you need to compensate like you would with the real beast - DON'T PLAY below middle C, it gets in the bass player's space. If you must, then use a higher harmonic sound like 468000000 or 408000000... Or just the 8 ' drawbar.
(Or use B4...)