2CAudio Breeze | 2.5 | Simple. Light. Pristine. Intelligently Adaptive.

[4damind]

The sliders are not following correctly the mouse moving. It's a bug or a feature?

But this more simplified interface is a good idea.

[Andrew Souter]

The sliders are not following correctly the mouse moving. It's a bug or a feature?

What do you mean? You mean if you set the prefs to "circular" on the info page, the sliders still respond linearly? If so, yes this is intentional, as it would seem odd to have a slider have circular behavior.

The sliders do respond to by X Y axis though, which is a little different than a normal slider. So for example increasing a value can be accomplished by moving the the house either/both Right, and/or Up. (and reversed for the Hi-Cut Knob.)

But this more simplified interface is a good idea.

glad you like it.

[Andrew Souter]

Hm, my understanding is that once you start referring to yourself in the third person is when you know you've made it. Oh, and you have to say "we" a lot when you're responding to questions, etc. As in "we decided to" such and such rather than "I decided". NEVER use the first person singular.

hum... shit, we, I mean I, do that often...

does that mean I/we am/are being perceived as being arrogant? Or crazy?

I am a Gemini... (twins) does that give me/us an excuse?

(I generally do it out of respect for Denis, since I am 99% of the time the one to speak for us... So when I say "we" I mean 2Cauido=Andrew & Denis).

[valhallasound]

Peevy2000, It doesn't matter how much you spend, or what reverb you purchase, but if you like the sound of Eos, then nothing will replace it. Eos has a distinct character to it, whereas the 2CAudio (Aether and Breeze) has the ability of sounding (IMO) more "natural" (keeping in mind that Aether has a number of options for coloring while Breeze has enough), still neither (IMO) overlaps Eos (or vice versa) in any way besides being called reverbs.

I would argue that Aether and Breeze have their own distinctive sonic signature. Which is an EXCELLENT thing.

A lot of plugins today are trying to emulate the "good ol' days" of the 1980's (which weren't necessarily all that good for those of us living in the US at the time, but I digress). Emulations of "classic" reverb algorithms abound, which is pretty cool, in that people are uncovering the "secret sauce," and finding that these algorithms can be really efficient on modern machines.

The 2caudio guys have taken a different route. I consider myself a bit of a scholar on reverb algorithms, and I can tell you that Aether doesn't simply recycle some old algorithms, or implement some textbook solution. Instead, they have created something unique. I haven't listened to Breeze enough to tell what is going on, but it doesn't sound like the typical Lexicon clone. The 2caudio guys are developing innovative new algorithms, and I have a huge amount of admiration for that.

Sean Costello

[4damind]

What do you mean?

The mouse pointer will not "stay" on the sliders knob while moving the slider (horizontally mouse direction). The mouse position is not updated with the same amount of pixels it was moved. this behaviour is with all knob modes).

[Andrew Souter]

Ok. Beginning to wonder now. Can anyone confirm if the link in my previous post is broken?

yes it is. but that page is deprecated.

galbanum.com/products/aether/...

is replaced by

2caudio.com/products/aether/...

(it became too much extra work to manage two web listings...)

you should not really be able to get to galbanum.com/products/aether/... anymore, unless you have a direct link??

How do you get this link?

(we need to improve web infrastructure in early 2011. it's overdue...)

[Chris Ihao]

Hey Andrew. I'm not really sure, but I did go through the Galbanum site or something. If not from google by searching 2c audio aether (one of the top links is http://www.galbanum.com/products/aether/). There are some blind roads here and there indeed.

Anyhow, thanks man. I'll check it out.

[Andrew Souter]

Peevy2000, It doesn't matter how much you spend, or what reverb you purchase, but if you like the sound of Eos, then nothing will replace it. Eos has a distinct character to it, whereas the 2CAudio (Aether and Breeze) has the ability of sounding (IMO) more "natural" (keeping in mind that Aether has a number of options for coloring while Breeze has enough), still neither (IMO) overlaps Eos (or vice versa) in any way besides being called reverbs.

I would argue that Aether and Breeze have their own distinctive sonic signature. Which is an EXCELLENT thing.

A lot of plugins today are trying to emulate the "good ol' days" of the 1980's (which weren't necessarily all that good for those of us living in the US at the time, but I digress). Emulations of "classic" reverb algorithms abound, which is pretty cool, in that people are uncovering the "secret sauce," and finding that these algorithms can be really efficient on modern machines.

The 2caudio guys have taken a different route. I consider myself a bit of a scholar on reverb algorithms, and I can tell you that Aether doesn't simply recycle some old algorithms, or implement some textbook solution. Instead, they have created something unique. I haven't listened to Breeze enough to tell what is going on, but it doesn't sound like the typical Lexicon clone. The 2caudio guys are developing innovative new algorithms, and I have a huge amount of admiration for that.

Sean Costello

Thanks Sean, that's very kind and humbling. You are doing great work too!

[Andrew Souter]

What do you mean?

The mouse pointer will not "stay" on the sliders knob while moving the slider (horizontally mouse direction). The mouse position is not updated with the same amount of pixels it was moved. this behaviour is with all knob modes).

Ya, that may the case. Sliders simply increase with right/up and decrease with left/down, except for the case of "hi-cut" which is reversed b/c the HF filter action "comes in" from this direction and is shown directly below in the graph, so it seemed to be cool to reverse it here.

Clicking anywhere on the slider (not only on the head/handle) will engage the slider. So from the real physical world perspecive maybe it seems odd that your hand/mouse-pointer is not touching the handle at all times, but from a usablity standpoint of just quickly pointing the the general area of the slider and "going" seemed better...

so, I rate this one as a feature...

[elxsound]

Peevy2000, It doesn't matter how much you spend, or what reverb you purchase, but if you like the sound of Eos, then nothing will replace it. Eos has a distinct character to it, whereas the 2CAudio (Aether and Breeze) has the ability of sounding (IMO) more "natural" (keeping in mind that Aether has a number of options for coloring while Breeze has enough), still neither (IMO) overlaps Eos (or vice versa) in any way besides being called reverbs.

I would argue that Aether and Breeze have their own distinctive sonic signature. Which is an EXCELLENT thing.

A lot of plugins today are trying to emulate the "good ol' days" of the 1980's (which weren't necessarily all that good for those of us living in the US at the time, but I digress). Emulations of "classic" reverb algorithms abound, which is pretty cool, in that people are uncovering the "secret sauce," and finding that these algorithms can be really efficient on modern machines.

The 2caudio guys have taken a different route. I consider myself a bit of a scholar on reverb algorithms, and I can tell you that Aether doesn't simply recycle some old algorithms, or implement some textbook solution. Instead, they have created something unique. I haven't listened to Breeze enough to tell what is going on, but it doesn't sound like the typical Lexicon clone. The 2caudio guys are developing innovative new algorithms, and I have a huge amount of admiration for that.

Sean Costello

No need to argue that point with me, as I completely agree. It's one of the things that drew me to it in the first place, and also reason for my initial disinterest in Eos (which was wrongly placed due to the context of my interest in looking for a different reverb), since what was pleasing to me was the sound of Aether (include colorization as needed). SINCE then, and after much reading of your various posts describing Eos as well as sifting through the book FX: Unlocking the Creative Potential of Recording Studio Effects by Alexander U. Case, I like to think I've grown a greater acceptance for "different options" amongst reverbs and the importance of having tools with distinctive character.

No need to point out that I'm not a scholar on reverb (not even close, and I'm hoping this is obviously apparent) but the reason for my reply back to Peevy2000, was that I noticed the post about Breeze possibly replacing Eos, and I had to point out that they're very different and IMO they don't replace each other, which I must add is a good thing.

I still struggle with gear lust like most of us here on KVR, but what I've learned from my experiences is that the best purchases are ones that provide something unique, which is not an easy task considering the number of choices in any group of effects or instruments. Right now, I'm completely happy using Aether, Breeze and ValhallaShimmer, and still could add on Eos, with out worry of replacing anything. The closest of any two, for obvious reasons are Aether and Breeze, but ValhallaShimmer and Eos both provide something unique to the table which is a great benefit.

[Andrew Souter]

Hey Andrew. I'm not really sure, but I did go through the Galbanum site or something. If not from google by searching 2c audio aether (one of the top links is http://www.galbanum.com/products/aether/). There are some blind roads here and there indeed.

Anyhow, thanks man. I'll check it out.

ya, generally the web has some loose ends that need to be straightened out. Our philosophy is "product first, everything else second". When you have only two people you have to make choices, and this seemed to be the best one. But it is time to improve this "everything else" stuff also...

[valhallasound]

No need to argue that point with me, as I completely agree.

TOTALLY not trying to argue with you here. I was using the term "argue" in a rhetorical manner, as opposed to having a difference of opinion with anyone. The post was meant to be supportive of Andrew and Denis' work, and not as a point of disagreement with you or others.

I should check out that book you mentioned, as well.

Sean Costello

[Andrew Souter]

The post was meant to be supportive of Andrew and Denis' work, and not as a point of disagreement with you or others.

That's exactly how I took it. Thanks again Sean.

[elxsound]

No need to argue that point with me, as I completely agree.

TOTALLY not trying to argue with you here. I was using the term "argue" in a rhetorical manner, as opposed to having a difference of opinion with anyone. The post was meant to be supportive of Andrew and Denis' work, and not as a point of disagreement with you or others.

I should check out that book you mentioned, as well.

Sean Costello

It's a fantastic book (adding "IMO" again) that explains a lot of different types of every effect, including a bit of history on each as well as the application of each. Comparative measurements are included for the various reverb types. It's helped me a lot so far, since I'm more familiar with the digital forms of everything than the hardware, or classic ways of recording reverb.


edit... I should add that it is probably no where near as technical as the books/papers you have posted about (here on KVR and your blog), but from a musician/sound designer's point of view it's very helpful. I still do my best to read what you've linked to in the past, but get lost easy.

[taoyoyo]

Andrew,

I noticed something on the demo version of Breeze (which I'm looking to pickup before the end of the year). I was playing with the time knob using a controller (APC-40 and Kore) and the twist increase does not appear to be equal with the time increase... ie: twist the knob a quarter turn and the time jumps up far ahead, only giving three or four options in the lower range.

Also... I updated Aether to 1.5.1 and did not experience any improvement in CPU usage. Wondered if you had any suggestions?

(I'm on OSX, 10.6.6, the Aether experience was in Ableton Live 8.1.2... tried the same conmbination of audio file and preset before and after, using x2 oversampling).

Cheers,

Alan

Otherwise, loving Breeze, it certainly is.