Ferric TDS vs Nebula StuderA800 (R2R) vs UAD

[Acid Mitch]

It should be pointed out that professional studios DO NO USE dis-functional or semi-pro analog equipment.

Your right. The pile of records I have that were recorded in pro studios using semi-pro and disfunctional analog equipment is imaginary.
No one could ever make a living selling music recorded with that stuff.

Its frankly absurd to think a plugin should emulate every possible variable of analog tape as well as dysfunctional machines.
This is both useless and un-necessary..

Why is it absurd ? Isn't the goal of emulateing these things to make them indistinguishable from the original?
I doubt anyones ever thought "dam that sounds too close to what I'm trying to copy, I better change it so it's less authentic"

[penguinfromdeep]

Yep, if it's called emulation the target is to have 100% copy (of course this is probably never possible), as for example video game console emulators emulate their hardware counterparts. They strive for perfection and anything else is considered lame. In my opinion plug-in "emulations" should do the same, that is if they want to be called emulations.

[bmanic]

hey mr. self important,

Yes I read your post and I still see a person tryin to establish his "opinion" as fact which you do ALOT. For example your nebula comment about not being able to sound driven is drivel. Ive heard extensive sessions with different tape programs being used in nebula and yuo can get that sound if you use the right presets and set drives just right.so f**king stop trying to feed everyone your opinion as gospel, OK? Im not a fanboy I dont even own nebula right now Ive been at listening tests in person though of those who have it and Ive heard many online tests. I take offense to ur authoritarinism and this sense that once you say something that's it end of story. Ur attacking me now? Who the f**k are you? some dude who incessantly posts his god damn "opinion" as u call it but never does it ever come across as opinion! For u making ur stamp in a discussion as authority is "contributing to the discussion". F OFF.

Feel better now? Must be frustrating having all that anger inside you.

As for Nebula.. ok, whatever you want to believe. When you have calmed down, perhaps you could try to read some of the forum posts at the nebula forum that explain how the plugin functions, how the vectorial volterra stuff in the plugin works? Perhaps read Velinas' (guy from www.analoginthebox.com ) comments about the excellent Fate Compressor and why it can not completely represent the real deal (never the less, it sounds amazing!).

.. or just stay angry and forever be in the shadow of my greatness! Muahahahahahah! You little one!

Peace!
bManic

[Nighthawk77]

Yep, if it's called emulation the target is to have 100% copy (of course this is probably never possible), as for example video game console emulators emulate their hardware counterparts. They strive for perfection and anything else is considered lame. In my opinion plug-in "emulations" should do the same, that is if they want to be called emulations.

Good point!
Especially in this case where you have 2 companies very specifically attempting to emulate Studer A800 machines.
They are not trying to emulate Telefunken, EMTEC, or Revox.

Both companies are specifically attempting to emulate one of the best sounding and respected analog tape machines made, the Studer A800.
I hope they can achieve this as this is analog at its best.

Keep up the efforts UAD and Acustica-Audio!
You got our attention....

[audiovet]

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[jmh]

Sandy vaginas <3

[Acid Mitch]

Sandy vaginas <3

Is that a porn star name ?

[Liero]

audiodub: Dude, seriously. Get to know the subject matter and reread bmanics post. The stuff about nebula is simple fact and everything else he said is clearly his opionion, which he is entitled to. Your responses have been much less constructive to the whole discussion so you can STFU yourself.

[Acid Mitch]

Your responses have been much less constructive to the whole discussion so you can STFU yourself.

He should at least STFU untill he learns to keep his quotes to a reasonable size.

[Tp3]

BRIAN
Brothers, brothers. We should be struggling together!

FRANCIS
We are!

BRIAN
We mustn't fight each other! Surely we should be united against the common
enemy!

ALL
The Judean People's Front !!

BRIAN
No. No. The Romans!

ALL
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes.

Please stop it guys... mind your business and take a BIGGG breath (till next time )

[jens]

I think it's time to just give up and take some distance from this forum.. again.

I have been thinking this so often myself, because discussions @KVR can be so dumb&immature, but I don't think it's worth to get even slightly upset about it...

don't worry, there's still a few of us here who actually can read, even if we don't take part in the discussion at all.


Carry on!

[odd]

So what's the best Nebula tape program? For duty on all channels.

[Download SOphist]

Sandy vaginas <3

Is that a porn star name ?

if it's not, i bet it will soon be taken.

[Zaphod (giancarlo)]

Ok, I think I should say something in defense of what bmanic tried to say here. I'm not speaking about the exact post or reply (there is a bit of fight here, I think it happened just because forums are dangerous things, you can't see the expression in the face of the other one, everything is written and so on).

A couple of years ago (or maybe more, I don't remember very well), bmanic visited italy and we spoke a lot about tape emulations. He even provided a couple of interesting papers on this subject, because I should confess it, I'm not very expert about tapes in general.

Previously we tried to sample a telefunken tape (named "color tape" in our commercial library) and we both agreed that nebula was not able to sample tapes successfully. Niklas (bmanic) was looking for that particular tape compression effect, which was simply not possible. It happens because tapes, especially when pushed hard, are a sort of powerful compressor tool. Starting from a point, you simply can't print a signal louder than that, which comes from physics. But our engine is processing audio switiching the whole set of kernels at a fixed program rate period, and here our limitation. I explained everywhere that tapes could not be emulated properly (just a side note: computers are faster and faster, now we could reduce the refresh rate period).

When michael (cdsoundmaster) told me he was going to sample tapes, I explained my point of view immediatly: "I don't believe you'll be satisfied, anyway you could capture very well its distortion, just try it and tell me if you think it's good enough".

Michael started selling this library, I downloaded the library and I didn't touched it for a while. Well, I was surprised for a couple of reasons. First of all, I received a lot of emails from users, they were saying they loved that library, and they were not using original tape machines any more. So I was surprised and I tried the library, and here the second surprise. The library was very good indeed. BUT it was NOT providing the instantaneous compression effect niklas was speaking about. So I replied to users and asked about that. And I discovered that all those happy guys were NOT using tapes in that way. They were using tapes more like a summing unit, a console, for the particular harmonic and frequency color, but they were NOT interested in strong compression coming from a tape (and I discovered that many of them were trying to NOT push those emulation hard, in order to avoid the compression effect at all). So here my lesson: if you don't use a feature, it doesn't matter if it's implemented or not. In your opinion it will be "complete". And you'll compare products just comparing the list of features you are using. For the same reason niklas was not satisfied, and for the same reason those users were satisfied, because they were using a tool for different scopes. If you use R2R in the way suggested by cdsoundmaster, it's an amazing tool, and very often a good tape replacement. If you use R2R in the way suggested by bmanic, it's something which doesn't work very well.

But I add: it's NOT 95% of users, because I didn't receive many complains from users, only praises (and percentage of complains is way far from 95%, it's quite the opposite).

[eytanmich123]

Let me rephrase some of Giancarlo's EXTREMELY IMOPORTANT insights. they are
so important as something that will be left from this thread (HOPEFULLY) :

So here my lesson:

If you don't use a feature, it doesn't matter if it's implemented or not.

In your opinion it will be "complete".

And you'll compare products just comparing the list of features YOU are using

.

(the bold remarks are mines in order to denote its importance)