KVR Audio

MFXxx · Post by **MFXxx** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:53 am

Downloaded the demo last night...got to say really enjoyed this and decided to go deal hunting.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 40#4398040

£57.00 inc VAT until 14th Feb...Absolute bargain at this price I don't need to consider full parameter automation and damn!!!Broke my signature

218 · Post by **218** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:56 am

ariston wrote:
Echoes in the Attic wrote:You're right that you're not forced to go directly to audio but that's not the important part of the point. The important thing is that you can not automate parameters besides the main two and you can not map them to hardware controls in any way and there is NO workaround for that. This is not a special feature, this should be standard functionality of any plug-in.
My last post on this (I promise ). I'll repeat myself: Your point is that the lack of automation is a big minus for any plugin. My point is that this plugin in particular does not need it or even suffer from the lack of it because of what it is and does. I can get it to do what I want by programming it and then triggering my own designs. Why would I want to fiddle with a knob while a 1/2-bar effect is running? I wouldn't even have time for that, and even if I would, it would sound really cheesy. I've put it to the test of at least 10 hours of tweaking and playing, and, like I mentioned, have used it during a gig this week, and adjusting the buffer position and master filter via controller is way more than enough. I used a setup where I had 8 basic effects with variations spread out over 4 octaves - there are so many possibilities in there, your audience would grow bored of these more quickly than you'd be able to explore all of them. Hence the "for all practical purposes" remark. Yes, there's a difference between programming and playing, but in this case, that difference is moot.
There are other effects out there that can do what you apparently want SE to do. It's different, and I'm not only glad for that, but feel that it's kind of silly and unprofitable to lambaste it for something it's not. And by the way, it's rock-solid, sounds great, the workflow is fun and easy, and the preset browser pure joy. So easy to set up a bank. I'm saying this so that the things that make SE great won't get left out of the picture here.
And, somehow, I still can't shake the feeling that none of you have actually given the demo a fair shot.

Now, let's all fire up whatever floats our personal boat and make some music.

Really nice that your satisfied with your purchase and I can see why, SE is a great plug, but it almost sounds like you dont really know the power of automation and how many more options would be possible...arguing that SE does not need this feature and is almost better without doesn't make much sense. Its not about the fact that there's other plugs that can do the same or not, its about Izotope releasing a very expensive piece of software and leaving out one of the most common and important features.

Slinky Productions · Post by **Slinky Productions** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:05 am

218 wrote: Really nice that your satisfied with your purchase and I can see why, SE is a great plug, but it almost sounds like you dont really know the power of automation and how many more options would be possible...arguing that SE does not need this feature and is almost better without doesn't make much sense. Its not about the fact that there's other plugs that can do the same or not, its about Izotope releasing a very expensive piece of software and leaving out one of the most common and important features.

+1

DF2R · Post by **DF2R** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:31 am

MFXxx wrote:Downloaded the demo last night...got to say really enjoyed this and decided to go deal hunting.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 40#4398040

£57.00 inc VAT until 14th Feb...Absolute bargain at this price I don't need to consider full parameter automation and damn!!!Broke my signature

Awesome, thank you

I was planning on buying this Monday... and now I can buy something else as well... no wait I mean save some money.

edit: Hmm not sure if I can buy this from Australia

Slinky Productions · Post by **Slinky Productions** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:49 pm

MFXxx wrote:Downloaded the demo last night...got to say really enjoyed this and decided to go deal hunting.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 40#4398040

£57.00 inc VAT until 14th Feb...Absolute bargain at this price I don't need to consider full parameter automation and damn!!!Broke my signature

thanks for the tip!

that is a much more sensible price for this effect

Esgalachoir · Post by **Esgalachoir** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 1:45 pm

Slinky Productions wrote:
MFXxx wrote:Downloaded the demo last night...got to say really enjoyed this and decided to go deal hunting.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 40#4398040

£57.00 inc VAT until 14th Feb...Absolute bargain at this price I don't need to consider full parameter automation and damn!!!Broke my signature

thanks for the tip!

that is a much more sensible price for this effect

Boy, do I feel like a jack-ass for having took the bait before this came up...

Oh well, doesn't make it any less creative,fun or useful...

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:21 pm

ariston wrote: And, somehow, I still can't shake the feeling that none of you have actually given the demo a fair shot.

My 10 days just ran out. Been playing with it lots. I might go for 57 pound deal. I do like it, it's just silly about the parameters not being visible to the host.
I have to say, it's funny that you think it sounds good having the parameter change by internal modulation, but it would sound silly if you were to actually change it yourself with a hardware knob? Very strange logic. But like I've already said, everything you said applies only to your personal preference. If I didn't use the filters on synths because I always liked them open, it would be the same for me to tell everyone that a synth doesn't need filters. Nobody would agree with me.

autumndreams · Post by **autumndreams** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:50 pm

MFXxx wrote:Downloaded the demo last night...got to say really enjoyed this and decided to go deal hunting.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 40#4398040

£57.00 inc VAT until 14th Feb...Absolute bargain at this price I don't need to consider full parameter automation and damn!!!Broke my signature

Thank you!

I was struggling with myself over this. Despite my first impressions regarding the price I found myself *really* enjoying using this plugin. Even then, 150 was a bit much to swallow...this puts it into a much more affordable range.

Slinky Productions · Post by **Slinky Productions** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:55 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote:
ariston wrote: And, somehow, I still can't shake the feeling that none of you have actually given the demo a fair shot.
My 10 days just ran out. Been playing with it lots. I might go for 57 pound deal. I do like it, it's just silly about the parameters not being visible to the host.
I have to say, it's funny that you think it sounds good having the parameter change by internal modulation, but it would sound silly if you were to actually change it yourself with a hardware knob? Very strange logic. But like I've already said, everything you said applies only to your personal preference. If I didn't use the filters on synths because I always liked them open, it would be the same for me to tell everyone that a synth doesn't need filters. Nobody would agree with me.

couldn't agree more.
I've been demoing it too of course, and basing my opinions on that.

I went for the 57 GBP deal ($89), which is a little less than the max ($99) I said I could justify for this effect.
And as a licensee I will be requesting better access to individual parameters for automation and preset creation (using my midi controllers).

Kevin63101 · Post by **Kevin63101** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:59 pm

There are several legit online retailers that have it below MSRP, including below the promo pricing. However, the above find is an exceptionally lower price -- thanks for sharing.

I downloaded the demo this past week. I don't do live performance, but see StutterEdit as having a ton of potential for my use to create unique sample sets to trigger from Battery or Kontakt.

I agree that having all parameters available for automation would be much better (and a basic expectation these days), but it doesn't dampen my view of StutterEdit being extremely powerful as offered. Maybe iZotope will feel the user demand for this feature and add as an update? Hope so.

OT - My favorite album for glitch / stuttered performances similar to how I'd want to use this product is Trifonic's "Emergence" (Fav tune is "Parks on Fire"): http://www.trifonic.com/music/. Wouldn't surprise me if Trifonic used an early beta prototype of this pluggin(total speculation, but Brian Trifon used to work with BT). Anyway, this album has some of the most musical uses of stutters I'd ever heard -- worth taking a listen for ideas.
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STUTTEREDIT CONTEST

BTmusic has a Stutter Edit contest here:
http://www.btmusic.com/brian-transeau/b ... ntest.html

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ezelkow1 · Post by **ezelkow1** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:02 pm

Slinky Productions wrote: I went for the 57 GBP deal ($89), which is a little less than the max ($99) I said I could justify for this effect.
And as a licensee I will be requesting better access to individual parameters for automation and preset creation (using my midi controllers).

Just wanted to make sure, was it a digital delivery? Im trying to find out if people in US can order from them or not since it doesnt show up on their order list

Slinky Productions · Post by **Slinky Productions** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:04 pm

for the record, that price includes VAT.

Theoretically non-european customers could get it even cheaper. If that retailer would sell it to them in the first place, I don't know. The australian guy a few posts up seems to think he can't buy it ?

Slinky Productions · Post by **Slinky Productions** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:08 pm

ezelkow1 wrote:
Slinky Productions wrote: I went for the 57 GBP deal ($89), which is a little less than the max ($99) I said I could justify for this effect.
And as a licensee I will be requesting better access to individual parameters for automation and preset creation (using my midi controllers).
Just wanted to make sure, was it a digital delivery? Im trying to find out if people in US can order from them or not since it doesnt show up on their order list

ya, it's digital delivery. But they don't deliver over the weekends, and besides that it can take 24 hrs from the point of purchase until delivered.

So it's done manually by the looks of things.

Still, at that price I jumped on board despite the fact it's the weekend. Knowing my luck if I waited they would up the price before feb 14th!

DF2R · Post by **DF2R** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:09 pm

Slinky Productions wrote:The australian guy a few posts up seems to think he can't buy it ?

It's not too clear. It only gives options for Europe re: location when you go to checkout.

Slinky Productions · Post by **Slinky Productions** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:19 pm

well, when I ordered the default country was the UK and it seemed the order was going to go through whatever country I selected. I selected the correct country though.

I think the reason the countries are restricted to europe might be to do with the price including VAT. They might be forbidden by iZotope to sell outside of europe, as the price without vat would be more like $70

Just speculating.

at any rate if I was american/australian/etc I would just choose a european country and pay the VAT. Worst thing that can happen is you don't get your serial on monday and get your paypal payment refunded. Worth a shot.

Izotope buys BT's Sonik Architects (Stutter Edit now Released!)