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Gino Cortesi · Post by **Gino Cortesi** » Mon Feb 07, 2011 1:50 am

Urs wrote: if the last point of an MSEG is the loop end, it should just run freely (provided it is used as a modulator anywhere).

AHA!!! That's the trick!

Wow, this was driving me nuts, at least now I know how to always make the MSEG start.

Best regards,

Gino

Gino Cortesi · Post by **Gino Cortesi** » Mon Feb 07, 2011 1:54 am

Howard wrote:
Gino Cortesi wrote:Does your MSEG free run and loop when you set it as a modulation source?
No. What's your system, Gino?

As Urs points out, if you set the last point of the MSEG as the loop end it will free run once you set it as a modulation source (+1 vote for putting that in the Zebrify manual

). You can do this in any input mode. I just confirmed this on my hosts (Orion and Podium on Windows 7).

Best regards,

Gino

Howard · Post by **Howard** » Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:39 am

Aha! Thanks for that.

Will check and update both manuals.

bmrzycki · Post by **bmrzycki** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:42 am

Howard, question if you have a moment.

On a couple of your 2.5 presets I notice you have different values for Oscillator Resolution even when you're not modulating the wave parameter slot. In the manual I noticed you say, "Note that many of the spectral effects are highly dependent on the Resolution." Does this include OscFX that aren't being modulated for example, static Hypercomb or Turbulence? Or does this only matter when, say, using LFO2 to modulate the position of said Hypercomb/Turblence. I only seem to hear differences when modulating the FX and I wanted to check with the source to see if my ears were wrong. Thanks!

Howard · Post by **Howard** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 8:46 am

bmrzycki wrote:In the manual I noticed you say, "Note that many of the spectral effects are highly dependent on the Resolution." Does this include OscFX that aren't being modulated for example, static Hypercomb or Turbulence?

Maybe I should be more precise there (thanks). Turbulence is dependant upon Resolution even if not modulated, others only when modulated.

Yep - good idea for minimizing CPU-load (which I will do from now on): before "final" save, check Resolution value(s) to see whether they can be lowered without noticeably changing the sound for the worse.

bmrzycki · Post by **bmrzycki** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:06 pm

Howard wrote:
bmrzycki wrote:In the manual I noticed you say, "Note that many of the spectral effects are highly dependent on the Resolution." Does this include OscFX that aren't being modulated for example, static Hypercomb or Turbulence?
Maybe I should be more precise there (thanks). Turbulence is dependant upon Resolution even if not modulated, others only when modulated.

Thanks for the fast, and detailed, reply Howard!

I had a sneaking suspicion modulation might not be necessary especially after reading a few of the osxFX descriptions that mentioned Resolution in the manual.

Howard wrote:Yep - good idea for minimizing CPU-load (which I will do from now on): before "final" save, check Resolution value(s) to see whether they can be lowered without noticeably changing the sound for the worse.

That's actually what started all of this for me; I was playing with HS Bombasto and noticed the CPU usage was a bit higher than normal and that's when I noticed the OSC1:Resolution knob was set to max. No big deal I thought and I minimised the Resolution as I didn't see the Wave slot being modulated. As soon as I did that though the chorusy/fluffyness of the sound all-but-disappeared and led me to scratching my head quite a bit.

Thanks for the interesting and educational accident!

bmrzycki · Post by **bmrzycki** » Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:43 pm

Found this gem in my Zebra archives, created by groundhum in 2009. It's a Table that converts u-he plugin filter cutoffs to MIDI note values and note frequencies.
http://www.u-he.com/PatchLib/tmp/Knob_t ... cy_Map.pdf

bmrzycki · Post by **bmrzycki** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:53 am

Been travelling this week for work so I took the airplane time to print out and re-re-read the Zebra manual. Here's what I found so far, feel free to use some/all/none of it.

There's no mention of how to register Zebra2 (right click the bar, choose enter registration codes). Don't know how I didn't see this before.
Page 35, LP12dB says there's no drive stage but there is clearly a drive knob that colors the sound in 2.5, Original Skin.
Page 36, when discussing the *4, *3, *2, *1 there is no mention of the dB slope for each of these poles which may not be immediately obvious (LP4 is 24dB for example)
Page 44, you group some of the modulators such as Env(1-4) but don't group others such as LfoG1,2 and MMap1,2.
Page 45, you may want to mention direct modulation happens faster than using the ModMatrix as Urs explains in this post: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 23#4325023
Page 47, misspelling, Delay: The attack starts after MIDI Not On...
Page 47, when discussing F/R you only mention it in context with Sus2. Later you show graphs of using F/R with modes besides Sus2.
Page 46, you mention the v-slope slider but do not mention where it appears on the Env or have a screen shot of it. You may consider changing the screen shot of Env1 to be one with v-slope since you have the expanded quadric Env1 on Page 48.
Page 50, you mention the knobs on this page either speed up or slow down the corresponding parameter. Since they are bipolar knobs it might make more sense to say negative values slow down and positive values speed up. Also, do you know if this rate is linear or logarithmic? Maybe giving an example of setting TimeUnit to 1/4 and Attack to +20 (or so) will actually give you an attack of X.
Page 50, you mentioned the minimum number of points (4) for Geo* modes. You might want to mention the minimum number of MSEG points (2) along with the max of 33.
Page 51, you may want to mention the ... knob on LFOs might operate in the opposite way as you'd initialy think, as seen in this post: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 91#4205591
Page 51, same comments about Negative/positive as the previous bullet for the Rate knob. Also would be nice to know how it scales.
Page 54, you say (e.g. only six in the image above). There are 3 images above. It might be better to say (e.g. only six in the Mod Mapper used in the Poppington preset as shown above)

That's as far as I've gotten on this read-through. I've probably read the manual 4 times now and I still find little gems in there. Thanks again for writing this!

Howard · Post by **Howard** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:13 am

Wow! Thanks Brian

auricle · Post by **auricle** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:31 am

Page 25 -Typo. In the Oscillator Module Preset section in the sentence starting "Note that all modulation assignments...." you've spelt "seetings" instead of "settings"

Seventh7 · Post by **Seventh7** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:46 pm

Didn't see this typo mentioned:

page 25: "controls the stereo seperation" ... typo on the word separation.

Howard · Post by **Howard** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:12 pm

Seventh7 wrote:page 25: "controls the stereo seperation" ... typo on the word separation.

Thanks - I found 4 or 5 more of those. Must lurn speling...

aaron aardvark · Post by **aaron aardvark** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:32 am

I'm up to page 13 on the Zebra manual: on that page it says the generators pane is not 2 dimensional; I disagree with that statement, unless I am misunderstanding it. So far I like the manual overall, by the way.

Howard · Post by **Howard** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:54 am

Thanks Aaron - I'll change those words so it makes more sense...

"The lefthand part of the window contains control panels for each active module in the main grid (see next page). Note that, because the arrangement of these panels is strictly vertical, the generators pane will seldom reflect the patch structure as set up in the grid. However, generator panels can be reordered by clicking on the dividing line between them."

Shorter than the original, more concise. But is it more understandable?

aaron aardvark · Post by **aaron aardvark** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:18 am

Howard wrote:Thanks Aaron - I'll change those words so it makes more sense...

"The lefthand part of the window contains control panels for each active module in the main grid (see next page). Note that, because the arrangement of these panels is strictly vertical, the generators pane will seldom reflect the patch structure as set up in the grid. However, generator panels can be reordered by clicking on the dividing line between them."

Shorter than the original, more concise. But is it more understandable?

I think your newer explanation makes more sense to me. Earlier, my thinking was flawed though: I thought a point is one dimensional, and a line is 2 dimensional, but, from what I now understand a point is zero dimensional and a line is one dimensional. I knew the pane itself is like a plane, which is 2 dimensional, so that was throwing off my thinking also. This next thing is off topic, but I'll ask anyway: when I posted a link to my music website in my profile, it's not showing up in my profile. Am I doing something wrong?

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