Why not? The least you can do is ask a lawyer for advice and see if you have a strong case here (I think you do, but I'm not a lawyer).ZioKiller wrote:I fear there's nothing I can do.
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That really seems unfair and wrong on so many levels... Situations like these remind me that I wanted to buy a legal expenses insurance since years. Good luck, I really hope that someday you can laugh about this mess and have profited from their mistake.ZioKiller wrote:And I've been recently contacted by another Wersi customer who wants to know how he can update his "pirated" VB3 license... I fear there's nothing I can do.
oh-no-we-are-musicians-and-bound-by-the-code-of-honour-amongst-musicians-my-brother!ZioKiller wrote:I just want people know what happens around... there are boys that download pirated softwares in their bedroom, and there are companies that distribute software without permission.
then you can lean back and laugh, if you like.
hehe... awesome!One of Wersi's last acts was to illegally appropriate software developer Guido Scognamiglio's VB3 software instrument.
In this case to contact a lawyer and try to persecute them legally is the best thing you can do.
)And if that doesn't work, hit 'em with a lawsuitMaxSynths wrote:.. contact a lawyer and try to persecute them legally
Guido, Meffy, I've been thinking about this (comment: As a Wersi equip owner, as well as a VB3 license holder, this situation is heartbreaking)ZioKiller wrote:Everybody knows what piracy is, the damage it does to software manufacturers and to the whole system, and everybody knows that downloading and using a pirated software, even for "private use", is a crime anyway.
Well, I would never had imagined that an act of piracy could ever been done by a well known manufacturer of home organs and digital keyboards, I'm talking about WERSI, have you ever heard about this brand?
Here's the (short) story: a while back I was contacted by a certain Ulrich Wildhack, who was in charge for Wersi as a chairman and salesman, over a possible collaboration for including my VB3 into their own software as an addition to or replacement of NI B4. For this purpose, they asked me a NFR (Not For Resale) license of VB3 in order to test the software on their keyboards.
After a few months of silence from both parties, I was contacted by a friend of mine who invited me to visit WERSI's website, onto which there was a news headline reporting that the new software upgrade had been released and it also included VB3! I was not aware of this and I wasn't even asked permission for proceeding. They practically "embedded" the NFR license I gave them into their software package.
In the meanwhile, WERSI went out of business towards the beginning of 2010. Someone told me that they already started selling those "packages" with the same NFR license for 100 euros each. And I wasn't informed, wasn't asked permission, and I didn't get a single dime either!
Tomorning the confirmation arrives: a belgian guy sends me an email telling that he bought VB3 from Wersi last years, and he wanted to know if he could update it to the latest version. He said he paid 100 euros for it.
Now the "WERSI" brand name belongs to Musik Store - Cologne, and the gentlemen who scammed me and their customers has nothing to do with WERSI any more.
But, well, you know the story now.
I checked out the link http://www.wild-noise.de/ and it is pretty darn obvious (to me at least) they have finished the project using NuBiPlus/Spinner as a starting point - and are offering it for sale. I should add that along the way they did find a couple of things that they needed to change and it is probably a better product as a result.JuergenPB wrote:Here it is: http://www.wild-noise.de/index.php?opti ... &Itemid=54on 26 August 2010 pj geerlings wrote:I was contacted by WERSI a while back - at least I think it was WERSI. The subsequent documentation and contract had the name "WildNoise" on it. In any case, I sold them the distribution rights to the entire line of NuBi/Spinner products. I got paid a reasonable sum for it so I haven't given it much thought since then.
I will have to take a look at the initial emails from them again - I do seem to remember they mentioned contacting several other Hammond Clone VSTI developers before they contacted me. I don't recall the specifics at the moment.
As far as I know their development of a Hammond Clone will be based on the NuBiPlus/VFX/Spinner combination and be presented as a single unified package. This is something I wanted to do but never quite had time to produce. When the offer came it seemed like a potentially nice epilog to my I-really-suck-as-a-marketer VST experience.
As it happens, I just heard from one of their developers two days ago so it appears they are still going ahead with the project at this time ...
Seriously, dude? The guy is clearly giving a layman's account of the situation as he understands it, and you dismiss him? Because he doesn't clearly articulate the legal difference between criminal and civil malfeasance? On a music forum, no less?james0tucson wrote:In what country? In the US, and under the Berne Convention, the recipient isn't the one who is abridging the distribution rights of the copyright holder, and except in rare situations it is a matter for civil litigation, not "a crime".ZioKiller wrote:Everybody knows what piracy is, the damage it does to software manufacturers and to the whole system, and everybody knows that downloading and using a pirated software, even for "private use", is a crime anyway.
Since you opened with this much misrepresentation, I didn't read the rest of your message.
BERFAB wrote:Seriously, dude? The guy is clearly giving a layman's account of the situation as he understands it, and you dismiss him? Because he doesn't clearly articulate the legal difference between criminal and civil malfeasance? On a music forum, no less?james0tucson wrote:In what country? In the US, and under the Berne Convention, the recipient isn't the one who is abridging the distribution rights of the copyright holder, and except in rare situations it is a matter for civil litigation, not "a crime".ZioKiller wrote:Everybody knows what piracy is, the damage it does to software manufacturers and to the whole system, and everybody knows that downloading and using a pirated software, even for "private use", is a crime anyway.
Since you opened with this much misrepresentation, I didn't read the rest of your message.
You must be a ton of fun at parties.
Oh, and all those lawyer jokes you don't think apply to you...?
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