sapshot if more than 16 sounds are used

[cam2000]

Hello,
i was trying to create a snapshot for a gig. For this band, i use more than 16 sounds in total. I was thus trying to gather all the organs in one kontakt, all the glocks and tuned percussion in another kontakt etc. Then, muting what I don;t need within that kontakt multi for that song. Then, for the new song, changing what is muted within that kontakt multi.
Turns out this wasn't working. Is there anyway I can make this work? Or, is there anyway, if, a gig has more than 16 sounds, to make this work as a snapshot?

[dustnic]

That is a concern for me as well.
Anyway, midi channels are only 16, unfortunately.
What I came to is a multi snapshot setup for each song, which allows me to rapidly trigger patch changes through midi 'program change'.
Briefly, 1 song = N snapshots.
Each song is associated to a snapshot bank.
The drawback of this is that switching between songs is not fast as switching between snapshots. Anyway, ZLoad can help you.
What you can do is, before your gig, load every snapshot bank in order to pre-load the plugins into ram.
Just be sure your RAM is large enough to accommodate all your samples.

[Meo]

Here's what I did:

In our gig, we split the set in half because we're having a 20-30 minutes recess between the two sets. So I'm using 2 snapshot bank.

You could have the singer talking to the crowd while you're changing banks.


I wish I could use one vst say in channel 1 but with a different preset in a different snapshot patch. If I want to use a different preset in my second patch, I have to assign that instrument to a brand new channel.

I thought Muse was working on this, not sure what happend with that.

[PhilAiken]

Here's what I did:

In our gig, we split the set in half because we're having a 20-30 minutes recess between the two sets. So I'm using 2 snapshot bank.

You could have the singer talking to the crowd while you're changing banks.


I wish I could use one vst say in channel 1 but with a different preset in a different snapshot patch. If I want to use a different preset in my second patch, I have to assign that instrument to a brand new channel.

I thought Muse was working on this, not sure what happend with that.

You can send patch changes to an instrument within a snapshot. For example, I have Ivory in slot 1 of my main preset and can change piano sounds without reloading Ivory.
I use a VAX77, which makes this easy, but I'm sure most controllers will handle that.

[Meo]

Here's what I did:

In our gig, we split the set in half because we're having a 20-30 minutes recess between the two sets. So I'm using 2 snapshot bank.

You could have the singer talking to the crowd while you're changing banks.


I wish I could use one vst say in channel 1 but with a different preset in a different snapshot patch. If I want to use a different preset in my second patch, I have to assign that instrument to a brand new channel.

I thought Muse was working on this, not sure what happend with that.

You can send patch changes to an instrument within a snapshot. For example, I have Ivory in slot 1 of my main preset and can change piano sounds without reloading Ivory.
I use a VAX77, which makes this easy, but I'm sure most controllers will handle that.

It's a good idea. But it's not exactly what I meant. When I look at my 16 channels, I have several channels using the same instruments because of different, say, different keyboard mapping, and obviously a different instrument patch.

The whole idea behing the snapshot bank is to be able to change patch quickly during a live performance. I don't see myself changing each instrument patch on top of that.

The only reason why I mentionned it is because I remember Muse addressing this feature. If we could do that, in essence, we would end up with one instrument per channel, regardless of the midi channel, key map, or selected sound patch between snapshot patches.

Not sure if Muse has kept working on this nice feature though.

PS The VAX77 is a nice controller, mine is rather basic.

[ndurant]

I think the answer is to go for one multi per song, rather than one multi per gig. Then you have up to 16 different sounds available for each song, and you're not restricted to always using the same sounds on the same channels with the same transpose/splits etc.

Using multis for each song means you're likely to use a lot less plugins in each multi, so loading up the multi should be relatively quick, especially if you use Z-load. My Receptor Rev B loads my setups (which typically use 4-5 plugins) in about 5-6 seconds, which is generally fine, and a 2/2+ should be quicker still. For songs where we plan to run from one song right into the other with no gap, I generally use snapshot multis, and load all the plugins for both songs, then a single program change after the first song instantly prepares the Receptor for the second song.

[dustnic]

That was just my original tip! Go for Multis and/or Snapshot banks wether you need to change patches without pauses or not.

The key for muse guys is just to work and further optimize z-load, imho.

God bless receptor!

[looneytunes]

Hi Everyone,

This utility can be quite useful for what you are trying to do. It does require Kontakt 4 though.

Hope this helps,
Kevin L

[Meo]

I think the answer is to go for one multi per song, rather than one multi per gig.

I guess you're right. I'd have to see how quick I can load snapshots between songs. I rarely have like 30 seconds between them. Wouldn't want to hold up the flow.

Perhaps I should setup one snapshot bank where each instruments occupy one instrument slot, load it right before the gig; this way every instruments would be pre-loaded and ready to go when I call the actual snapshot banks?

Is this how z-load works?

[gary@museresearch]

The best thing you can do is build multi's inside of multi-timbrel Plugins. Lets use Kontakt as an example:


1 Instance of Kontakt:

Midi channel (in Kontakt)
1 Trumpet
2 Guitar
3 Electric Piano
3 Pad
4 Bass

Now.... If your controller is on MIDI channel 1 you can still control these instruments independently. You do this by going to the Receptor Mixer and on the channel that Kontakt is on click the MIDI filter. There are 2 different types of MIDI channels here. The top one is listening to the channel off your controller. The next one routes that channel to whatever is in the instrument. So if you change it to MIDI channel 2 you will hear guitar. If you change it to MIDI channel 3 you will hear a Electric Piano/Pad layer. The cool thing is when you are saving as snapshots you can change these MIDI play messages. This way when you do a program change it does not have to reload samples and Kontakt.

Thanks,
Gary
Muse Support

[Meo]

The best thing you can do is build multi's inside of multi-timbrel Plugins. Lets use Kontakt as an example:


1 Instance of Kontakt:

Midi channel (in Kontakt)
1 Trumpet
2 Guitar
3 Electric Piano
3 Pad
4 Bass

Now.... If your controller is on MIDI channel 1 you can still control these instruments independently. You do this by going to the Receptor Mixer and on the channel that Kontakt is on click the MIDI filter. There are 2 different types of MIDI channels here. The top one is listening to the channel off your controller. The next one routes that channel to whatever is in the instrument. So if you change it to MIDI channel 2 you will hear guitar. If you change it to MIDI channel 3 you will hear a Electric Piano/Pad layer. The cool thing is when you are saving as snapshots you can change these MIDI play messages. This way when you do a program change it does not have to reload samples and Kontakt.

Thanks,
Gary
Muse Support

Thanks Gary! But I think this only applies to Kontakt and the like? I could see this working with IK Multimedia products.

I couldn't with say B4 or OPX right?

Regards,

Denis

[dustnic]

You are right. Gary's hint works only with multi-timbral plugins.

The best thing you can do is build multi's inside of multi-timbrel Plugins. Lets use Kontakt as an example:


1 Instance of Kontakt:

Midi channel (in Kontakt)
1 Trumpet
2 Guitar
3 Electric Piano
3 Pad
4 Bass

Now.... If your controller is on MIDI channel 1 you can still control these instruments independently. You do this by going to the Receptor Mixer and on the channel that Kontakt is on click the MIDI filter. There are 2 different types of MIDI channels here. The top one is listening to the channel off your controller. The next one routes that channel to whatever is in the instrument. So if you change it to MIDI channel 2 you will hear guitar. If you change it to MIDI channel 3 you will hear a Electric Piano/Pad layer. The cool thing is when you are saving as snapshots you can change these MIDI play messages. This way when you do a program change it does not have to reload samples and Kontakt.

Thanks,
Gary
Muse Support

Thanks Gary! But I think this only applies to Kontakt and the like? I could see this working with IK Multimedia products.

I couldn't with say B4 or OPX right?

Regards,

Denis