u-he

Breeze · Post by **Breeze** » Tue May 03, 2011 12:19 am

I'm fascinated by this "simple" synth too

Is there a TyrellN6 bug report thread somewhere? I've found that in poly mode, when you stack 2 voices and you're using a long attack, after the synth runs out of voices (8?) the attack is fast instead of respecting the envelope. I understand that the oldest notes should disappear instantaneously, but shouldn't new ones still have the slow attack?

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Tue May 03, 2011 9:24 am

synaesthesia wrote:Will enter my favourite patch into this competition

Why not enter your favourite two patches?

Mplay · Post by **Mplay** » Tue May 03, 2011 9:50 am

I'll say I'll enter so I can vistit hyde park corner, I need just a few more posts

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Tue May 03, 2011 10:37 am

Breeze wrote:I'm fascinated by this "simple" synth too

Is there a TyrellN6 bug report thread somewhere? I've found that in poly mode, when you stack 2 voices and you're using a long attack, after the synth runs out of voices (8?) the attack is fast instead of respecting the envelope. I understand that the oldest notes should disappear instantaneously, but shouldn't new ones still have the slow attack?

That's not a bug, it's a feature!

Like in about all analogue synths, the envelope trigger starts the envelope "from where it was". This behaviour is particularly known from monosynths (Minimoog, Sh-1, ARP 2600 etc.) but it's also apparent in polyphonic synths such as the Roland Juno and Jupiter series.

The main culprit as to why almost nobody does that in digital synths anymore is Velocity. Because if the envelope is scaled by Velocity, you get a step instead of a smooth transition. Hence all the hustle and bustle with note stealing and big polyphony.

In TyrellN6 (like in PolyAna) the envelopes run smooth and continuous, no matter how big the difference in Velocity. However, while PolyAna always goes into Attack phase, TyrellN6 will go right into decay if the beginning of a new note sees an inital envelope value that's higher than 100%.

Cheers,

Urs

Breeze · Post by **Breeze** » Tue May 03, 2011 1:41 pm

Urs wrote:Like in about all analogue synths, the envelope trigger starts the envelope "from where it was". This behaviour is particularly known from monosynths (Minimoog, Sh-1, ARP 2600 etc.) but it's also apparent in polyphonic synths such as the Roland Juno and Jupiter series.

...

In TyrellN6 (like in PolyAna) the envelopes run smooth and continuous, no matter how big the difference in Velocity. However, while PolyAna always goes into Attack phase, TyrellN6 will go right into decay if the beginning of a new note sees an inital envelope value that's higher than 100%.

But in poly mode, only if the available notes run out. That's what's happening.

I always thought the default rule for poly mode to be "on end of available voices, the oldest voice played is immediately silenced and the new note behaves normally", going through it's entire envelope cycle. Have I been wrong all these years?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Tue May 03, 2011 2:18 pm

Breeze wrote:I always thought the default rule for poly mode to be "on end of available voices, the oldest voice played is immediately silenced and the new note behaves normally", going through it's entire envelope cycle. Have I been wrong all these years?

Just checked on the Jupi... yes, you've been wrong!

One difference though is that if a note that's pressed has already been played before, it's that note that's stolen instead of the oldest released.

Breeze · Post by **Breeze** » Tue May 03, 2011 3:32 pm

Urs wrote:Just checked on the Jupi... yes, you've been wrong!

I stand corrected. Personally I find the "new" way more musically useful for my purposes; I guess I've been spoiled by polyphony.

Urs wrote:One difference though is that if a note that's pressed has already been played before, it's that note that's stolen instead of the oldest released.

That makes musical sense.

Resonator63 · Post by **Resonator63** » Mon May 09, 2011 12:26 am

Just sent my patches for the contest.
Tyrell is a powerful sounding little beast

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Mon May 09, 2011 11:33 am

2 weeks left.

Hands up, who's going to have to choose their two submissions from a whole load of patches?

LeVzi · Post by **LeVzi** » Mon May 09, 2011 1:15 pm

Note to self : Try emailing entries, lol not really going to do much good sitting on your own pc only.

3ee · Post by **3ee** » Mon May 09, 2011 4:03 pm

Almost done ...
I thought that I couldn't get something new out of Tyrell .. I was wrong!

But everytime I do something I find that at least an extra matrix row is missing.

3ee · Post by **3ee** » Tue May 10, 2011 1:15 am

Sent...

now, we wait..............
:waiting:

Howard · Post by **Howard** » Tue May 10, 2011 10:40 pm

I hope everybody has been using the "Voice" modulator

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Wed May 11, 2011 1:27 pm

Interesting stuff can be done using 'Voice'.

The different envelope trigger modes are worth checking out too.

Breeze · Post by **Breeze** » Wed May 11, 2011 2:34 pm

hakey wrote:Hands up, who's going to have to choose their two submissions from a whole load of patches?

Guilty...

u-he

KVR Audio

U-HE Patch Contest: Tyrell N6