The Windows 64 bit version is scheduled for this week. If you purchase the plug-in now you'll get it in your Area once it is released.aircargo wrote:Just found this thread. Sounds very interesting. Mac gets 64bit and not Windows? That's gotta be a first. That makes me sad. If there was x64 VST I'd probably be clicking the by link right now. For $39 that would be a no-brainer.
Sonimus Satson (Console emulation) ready to buy now :)
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- KVRian
- 674 posts since 22 Sep, 2007 from Caracas, Venezuela
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- KVRian
- 1439 posts since 25 Nov, 2008 from Seattle, WA
Nice! Can I just wait until it releases or is there a scheduled price increase?
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- KVRian
- 674 posts since 22 Sep, 2007 from Caracas, Venezuela
Yes, you can wait. There's no introductory price running.aircargo wrote:Nice! Can I just wait until it releases or is there a scheduled price increase?
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- KVRian
- 1439 posts since 25 Nov, 2008 from Seattle, WA
First off, I'm just thinking that with this plugin and the suite from SKNote, even the most cost-conscious consumer can have a pretty kick-ass collection of analog-style plugins that used to cost hundreds of dollars each from Waves, Softube, and Slate Digital. Pretty awesome.
Ok, so now that I'm *really* interested, I read the manual end-to-end... pretty simple, but it seems to miss the description of what the buss plug does and how to use it.
Typically I have a default template that has a buss for...
- Vocals
- Solo instrument
- Bass
- Drums
- Synth Foreground
- Synth Background
- Acoustic/Orchestral instruments
Each buss currently has an appropriate group of plugs (limiter or compressor, EQ, etc.). All channels route to their logical busses. The busses route to stereo out. I think this is standard practice, pretty much.
Do I now put Sanson Channel on every channel and the Buss plug on every buss? Or do I put Satsun Channel on each of my busses and the Buss plug on the maser channel? Lastly, do I put it as the first or last insert? Or does it matter?
Ok, so now that I'm *really* interested, I read the manual end-to-end... pretty simple, but it seems to miss the description of what the buss plug does and how to use it.
Does this buss plugin go on insert 1 of your DAW and completely bypass the DAW's summing and take the input of all the channel plugs? In the manual they say you slap the buss plugin on the drum buss. So that would imply that it *doesn't* link at all to the channel plugin. But why would i want to use the buss plugin? The channel plugin seems much more fully-featured. Just wondering what the prescribed way to use this would be.zeep wrote:Anyone else uses multiple Buss plugin instances? I tried it and it can sound interesting. Seems weird though, as every Buss instance gets the complete mix from all the Channels. I mean, you can't just route a select group of Channels to a select Buss.
Just thinking out loud.
Typically I have a default template that has a buss for...
- Vocals
- Solo instrument
- Bass
- Drums
- Synth Foreground
- Synth Background
- Acoustic/Orchestral instruments
Each buss currently has an appropriate group of plugs (limiter or compressor, EQ, etc.). All channels route to their logical busses. The busses route to stereo out. I think this is standard practice, pretty much.
Do I now put Sanson Channel on every channel and the Buss plug on every buss? Or do I put Satsun Channel on each of my busses and the Buss plug on the maser channel? Lastly, do I put it as the first or last insert? Or does it matter?
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- KVRian
- 1161 posts since 17 Nov, 2002 from Middlesbrough,UK
I bought it, there isnt a Mac 64 bit version yet you have to use the 32bit version in logic 64 via 32 bit bridge.aircargo wrote:Mac gets 64bit and not Windows? That's gotta be a first. That makes me sad.
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- KVRian
- 1439 posts since 25 Nov, 2008 from Seattle, WA
Well it sounds like the x64 versions are only days away. Then I'm heading right to the Sonimus site to buy my copy.
It would be nice to know how the buss verson differs from the channel version. Is it just the channel version withot the EQ and gain stage? If I really put one of these on EVERY channel, that's a LOT of plugs.
Guys: how is it on the CPU (for those not running bridged)?
It would be nice to know how the buss verson differs from the channel version. Is it just the channel version withot the EQ and gain stage? If I really put one of these on EVERY channel, that's a LOT of plugs.
Guys: how is it on the CPU (for those not running bridged)?
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- KVRian
- 674 posts since 22 Sep, 2007 from Caracas, Venezuela
Light, very light. Each instance takes like 1.0% here. A couple of hours ago I was running a mix with 50+ SatSons and tons of EQs, comps, etc.: CPU was close to 64% (btw, I was using the 64 bit beta version in REAPER 64 bits).aircargo wrote:Well it sounds like the x64 versions are only days away. Then I'm heading right to the Sonimus site to buy my copy.
It would be nice to know how the buss verson differs from the channel version. Is it just the channel version withot the EQ and gain stage? If I really put one of these on EVERY channel, that's a LOT of plugs.
Guys: how is it on the CPU (for those not running bridged)?
This was on a Core i5 750 at 2.67MHz
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- KVRian
- 1439 posts since 25 Nov, 2008 from Seattle, WA
Nice! Looking forward to it. Hoping to get a *little* more clarity on the difference between the buss and channel plugs and when it's best to use each one.
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- KVRAF
- 1855 posts since 21 Sep, 2004 from Musician, Recording Engineer, Producer
Personally, I wouldn't drive it that hard on everything. I'm shooting for just under zero on the vu meters on most tracks. I'm only pushing a few things into the red like kicks and stuff like that. I use my ears most of all. Stuff with fast transients like snare will hardly get the VU meter to move. That's the nature of real vu meters though. If you are familiar with VU meters and the difference between VU, PEAK, and RMS, it will be second nature to you. If you, like I was a few years ago, have never used a vu meter, then it might be time well spent to learn about VU meters and how they respond. IMO they respond to music much like our ears respond.zeep wrote:Wow. This plugin is going to change my mixing. I produce dance / house and have inserted Statson in 2 projects i'm working on now. It does a nice job of glueing and bringin some sound awareness in the overall mix (for lack of a better word). It indeed works the lower end of the mix and so far i like what it does.
I'm not completely clear on how hard the input must hit the Satson channel, or what the proper way to use the Gain knob is but i'll find the sweet spots soon enough.
For now i use the Channel Gain to get the signal around clip and it seems to give the best result.
If you have any working tips, please post!
Wow.
That's not to say that PEAK and RMS don't have their place. In the DAW I find PEAK and RMS to be very useful, especially when trying to stay away from zero (digital clipping). However, I'm really happy to finally have some good quality calibrated VU meters now with this plugin. Just know that they are not the same thing as PEAK and RMS meters. VU meters respond differently and are definitely worth learning and using.
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- KVRian
- 674 posts since 22 Sep, 2007 from Caracas, Venezuela
There's a difference in the sound, I can tell easily. The Buss really acts like a Master or Buss Group from a console where things tend to have more depth (and a 3D feeling with the Crosstalk feature on), though it still lacks a bit of definition (I'm a SSL 9k fan so probably I just miss the 'clarity' of this desk). SatSon Buss can work in dual-mono mode as well (when crosstalk is off) and it also has a "Loud Process" feature to saturate lows and highs a bit more. All these features make it sound different.
If you're really after a console workflow I'd suggest you to use one SatSon Channel per track (mono or stereo, though you can also use SatSon Buss in stereo tracks to 'emulate' the way we group mono tracks together in large format consoles, like PianoL and PianoR going to a Buss Group). SatSon Buss should always be inserted in your Busses and Master. For instance, a couple of hours ago I had a stereo piano track and split it into 2 mono tracks where I inserted one SatSon Channel in each (I split it because I wanted to EQ each channel in different ways with Nebula) then I routed them to a Buss Group because I needed to compress that piano a bit so I also inserted a SatSon Buss there in that group, right at the end of the chain (after the Comp... just because I liked the way it sounded after it).
Do whatever you need to achieve your goal, just keep in mind that the SatSon Channel represents ONE channel of a console and SatSon Buss represets a Buss Group or the Master Buss.
If you're really after a console workflow I'd suggest you to use one SatSon Channel per track (mono or stereo, though you can also use SatSon Buss in stereo tracks to 'emulate' the way we group mono tracks together in large format consoles, like PianoL and PianoR going to a Buss Group). SatSon Buss should always be inserted in your Busses and Master. For instance, a couple of hours ago I had a stereo piano track and split it into 2 mono tracks where I inserted one SatSon Channel in each (I split it because I wanted to EQ each channel in different ways with Nebula) then I routed them to a Buss Group because I needed to compress that piano a bit so I also inserted a SatSon Buss there in that group, right at the end of the chain (after the Comp... just because I liked the way it sounded after it).
Do whatever you need to achieve your goal, just keep in mind that the SatSon Channel represents ONE channel of a console and SatSon Buss represets a Buss Group or the Master Buss.
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- KVRian
- 1439 posts since 25 Nov, 2008 from Seattle, WA
Dalor: So why do you have BOTH the buss and channel plugs on the busses? That seems odd to me. I guess since I haven't received clarity on what the buss VST does versus the channel, it *might* not be. But if the buss VST is just the channel VST minus the gain stage and high+lowpass filters, it seems redundant. Which is why I'd be tempted to use the channel filters on my busses (group channels as they are called in Cubase) instead of the buss version.
Is there crosstalk emulated in the channel VST when used on a stereo track?
Is there crosstalk emulated in the channel VST when used on a stereo track?
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