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SuperFly76 · Post by **SuperFly76** » Mon May 09, 2011 3:09 am

@midnight wrote:i know it doesnt change daw routing.

im just say if you have 8 guitar tracks, maybe run tracks 1,3 into a buss, 2, 4 into a buss, 5 and 7 into a buss, 6 and 8 into buss. then you would have all those crosstalks.

would be kinda cool.

You can try it if you want.

It seems like massive overkill to me. I won't be using it like you described. I'll likely just follow the manual. It adds more than enough sonic goodness for me using it the way it was meant to be used.

lightsfadelow · Post by **lightsfadelow** » Mon May 09, 2011 3:15 am

I am pretty certain that the Satson channel plugins don't send anything to the buss plugins in any way. They don't have any way of knowing about the other plugins. There is nothing in the UI that let's you link a channel to a buss.

So the modeled crosstalk is likely just between left and right of the buss. And wouldn't change at all if there were channel plugs routed to that buss or not.

Mercado_Negro · Post by **Mercado_Negro** » Mon May 09, 2011 3:19 am

SuperFly76 wrote:
@midnight wrote:i know it doesnt change daw routing.

im just say if you have 8 guitar tracks, maybe run tracks 1,3 into a buss, 2, 4 into a buss, 5 and 7 into a buss, 6 and 8 into buss. then you would have all those crosstalks.

would be kinda cool.
You can try it if you want. It seems like massive overkill to me. I won't be using it like you described. I'll likely just follow the manual. It adds more than enough sonic goodness for me using it the way it was meant to be used.

I wouldn't probably waste 4 busses in a real console just for guitars, I'd rather comp and mix them down to 2 channels and then group them if I need to equalize or compress them. In this digital form I just do it because it's manageable and I don't run out of busses in REAPER (with SatSon, CPU usage isn't that high to avoid it and splitting things like that really makes a difference in the result

).

@aircargo: I guess you haven't read my posts on page 3 and 4 for you

@midnight · Post by **@midnight** » Mon May 09, 2011 3:47 am

you could do different mixdowns with different groups of tracks going to the master bus to get different flavors of crosstalk. then you could to parrallel process all the different kinds of crosstalk, and run it through nebula with the tape setting.

lightsfadelow · Post by **lightsfadelow** » Mon May 09, 2011 4:06 am

I feel like we're verging into sci-fi. There's no way the buss plugin is linked to any specific channel plugin, so it doesn't really matter what configuration you put it in. All it has to work on is the stereo audio fed into it by the DAW. It doesn't matter what channels routed to that buss/group had the channel plug or not.

lightsfadelow · Post by **lightsfadelow** » Mon May 09, 2011 4:13 am

Ok... I re-read the manual and re-processed all of the information in the thread. For those who haven't read it yet, look here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6560042/Satson%20Manual.pdf

The crosstalk is JUST between the L and R channels of the buss that the plugin sits on. It's in the schematic. It feeds a little of the left channel into the right channel and a little of the right channel into the left. That's all it does. If you choose "Dual Mono" it turns the crosstalk off and processes the left and right channels completely independently.

Note: totally buying this plugin when x64 is released this week

did not expect some magical channel-buss linking. Still skeptical of the VCC linking magic.

Mercado_Negro · Post by **Mercado_Negro** » Mon May 09, 2011 4:18 am

aircargo wrote:I feel like we're verging into sci-fi. There's no way the buss plugin is linked to any specific channel plugin, so it doesn't really matter what configuration you put it in. All it has to work on is the stereo audio fed into it by the DAW. It doesn't matter what channels routed to that buss/group had the channel plug or not.

Well, we've just emulating the workflow of a console here so having a SatSon Channel in each rhythm guitar track and grouping those 2 tracks in one group with a SatSon Buss is just part of it.

You know, I'm actually starting to think you're ignoring my posts and explanations. If that's the case then I won't waste my time anymore

Tom music · Post by **Tom music** » Mon May 09, 2011 4:36 am

Ok, I am a bit confused which is VERY easy

Anyway, if I have a "mono" track and I load Satson channel, do I have to change anything or does it know its a mono track? If I have a stereo track would I have to change anything? I have gotten a bit confused with the whole crosstalk thing. Please excuse my stupidity

Mercado_Negro · Post by **Mercado_Negro** » Mon May 09, 2011 4:43 am

Tom music wrote:Ok, I am a bit confused which is VERY easy Anyway, if I have a "mono" track and I load Satson channel, do I have to change anything or does it know its a mono track? If I have a stereo track would I have to change anything? I have gotten a bit confused with the whole crosstalk thing. Please excuse my stupidity

SatSon Channel works on stereo and mono tracks, you don't have to change anything. Now, SatSon Channel has an option in its back panel to make it use just one channel (just in case you're using a host like REAPER which doesn't have stereo or mono tracks but just tracks). This way you'd save CPU.

Tom music · Post by **Tom music** » Mon May 09, 2011 4:52 am

I appreciate you taking the time to help a dummy like me

I am glad I purchased this. I already can tell a big difference with just messing with the busses. I will dive in it more tomorrow.. Thanks again..

Mercado_Negro · Post by **Mercado_Negro** » Mon May 09, 2011 4:55 am

Tom music wrote:I appreciate you taking the time to help a dummy like me I am glad I purchased this. I already can tell a big difference with just messing with the busses. I will dive in it more tomorrow.. Thanks again..

You're welcome

lightsfadelow · Post by **lightsfadelow** » Mon May 09, 2011 5:31 am

No, Mercado, I understand what you're saying but it sounds like others are expecting crosstalk to be more exciting than just stereo bleed.

Mercado_Negro · Post by **Mercado_Negro** » Mon May 09, 2011 6:00 am

aircargo wrote:No, Mercado, I understand what you're saying but it sounds like others are expecting crosstalk to be more exciting than just stereo bleed.

Cool

The crosstalk is about -30dB around 1kHz (tested with a sine tone). Though it probably sounds like too much for a high-end console the amount was decided by doing tons of listening tests and choosing what was the best for the plug-in (and people's mixes

).

vata44 · Post by **vata44** » Mon May 09, 2011 6:28 am

Do you think this would sound nice for electronic music? I notice most of you talking about drum buss, guitar buss, etc. Is this is more of an acoustic thing?

I am tempted to buy it for sure... I like SonEQ

Mercado_Negro · Post by **Mercado_Negro** » Mon May 09, 2011 6:33 am

vaisnava wrote:Do you think this would sound nice for electronic music? I notice most of you talking about drum buss, guitar buss, etc. Is this is more of an acoustic thing?

I am tempted to buy it for sure... I like SonEQ

I mix R&B, Hip-Hop, Pop, Salsa, Merengue, Bachata, etc.

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