Sonimus Satson (Console emulation) ready to buy now :)

[b-pole]

I PMd to support too, nothing yet. Is it normal to take that much time? Can't wait to use it

It is normal because I had to wait a little bit, too.
And please consider: he has to build your own license with your real name, perhaps another reason for no demo, because you have no real copy protection.

[MFXxx]

I just bought it 4 hours ago and it still says "You don't have purchases" in "My Area". I PMd to support too, nothing yet. Is it normal to take that much time? Can't wait to use it

Diego is in Argentina, not sure where you are but allow time for back orders and time differences...it's worth the wait

[Umudo]

Diego is in Argentina, not sure where you are but allow time for back orders and time differences...it's worth the wait

Oh I thought he is in Spain. Which has an hour difference with my country (Turkey). That's why i asked. And it's there now so no problems Off to play with my new toy

[Mercado_Negro]

i think mercado negro's suggestion to place it at the end of your fx chain is best. as he says, you're constantly mixing through it as with a real console

And another good thing is I can render my tracks if I need to and still use its gain, filters afterwards because I just bypass it before rendering (I guess some people call it "freeze") and then activate it again. That's very cool for my workflow...

Actually I've just been using SatSon's filters for creative purposes only because I tend to do all my HP/LP filtering in busses, not in individual tracks.

[bduffy]

Now that x64 is out, I believe he's working on a "modern console" crosstalk model option which has less perceptable crosstalk. (Probably something I'd use on my synth and master busses.) There were some other features he talked about as well.

I used satson for the first time over the past two nights. It does seem to add some subtle magic to the mix, even when not tweaked. I'm working on a remix to fix my mix of Cold (1st track on Light at the link below) because I thought it had a little mud and was a tad squashed. Anyway, I slapped the buss plugin on the vocal channel wile playing the track and instantly the vocals popped out a bit more and gained some stereo sheen or air or something. I was also able to use the filters to cut out some of the mud that I struggled to cut out with parametric EQ without making the mix sound too thin (that could just be a matte of using my ears instead of my eyes, but to me it sounded really good).

The other thing I noticed is that in a test project I made, could add over 420 instances of Satson channel at 64 samples latency on my ProFire 2626 (i7 980x) and still reached only 65% ASIO load.

420 instances!?!? Mein gott!! That's great!

So is the "Light" track on your site post-Statson? Great track, btw.

[lightsfadelow]

Thanks bduffy! I think you mean Cold, the first track. No--not using satson yet. I'm working on remixing it with satson to remove what I think of is mud and a bit of harshness. But that could take a week or so.

[bduffy]

Thanks bduffy! I think you mean Cold, the first track. No--not using satson yet. I'm working on remixing it with satson to remove what I think of is mud and a bit of harshness. But that could take a week or so.

Oh, I see..."Light" is the album? (the big words tricked me...)

To my ears, it didn't sound muddy, but maybe a touch brittle. Something that Satson would probably be perfect for, obviously! But the mix sounds great, very pro.

Sorry, shouldn't hijack!

[lightsfadelow]

Yes Light is the album. Thanks for the kind comments. The brittle comment is why I bought satson. It's too easy in the digital domain to create mixes with high end harshness. If you listen to Touch (track 2) I think I have done the best I can but I may try to do even better with satson.

[fateamenabletochange]

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[Compyfox]

... Well guess what, you're not the most important thing in the world for the developer right now, it's the customer. ...

Please read closely:

- I am a possible customer
- The possible customer wants to give it a testride "first"
- The possible customer can't, and there is no info for a refund (like Quinto Sardo from Sknote, another developer which "name brands" his plugins, does).

Possible customer is not happy with that outcome, recommends that to his friends, fellows and partners - endresult - possible lost sales.


QUESTION:
If it wouldn't have been me that ansked these questions, but somebody else... would you people even care?

Think about it, please.
But don't answer... it's a rhetoric question.

It's some of the plug-ins where I would say "buy it and support the developer from Argentina"

Since you're in Berlin as well, care to please send me a PM?

I'd like to discuss something with you if you don't mind.

...

You're muted from now on.

Understand me right, I have no opinion about demo or not. I only want a great discussion about the quality of this plugin, not more, but no less.

The start of the thread was great, kudos to you and definitely appreciated.

I want to participate with the discussion as well, join the poll, give my objective point of view. But as you can see - I'm locked out and yet again pointed fingers at.

I'm sorry that I caused that trouble - but I didn't cause this recent fallout yet again alone. (see next quote, please)

...Du gehst mir sowas von auf den Sack....

Ich steh nicht auf Säcke, tut mir leid.


(translation:
rasmusklump: [vulg] You're a pain in the ass!
Compyfox: Sorry, I'm not into that)



Echt jetzt, rasusklump. Ich muss mir nicht jede Beleidigung gefallen lassen. Scheinbar macht es aber Usern wie dir Spaß mich regelrecht zu verfolgen und mich aktiv nieder zu machen.

Bist du auch nur deswegen hier aufgetaucht? Geht euch davon einer ab?

Nein, bitte antworte nicht - ich will es gar nicht wissen.



(translation:
Seriously, rasmusklump. I don't need to take every insult. It does however seem to make users like you a lot of fun to downright pursue me and actively bawl me out.

Did you show up in here because of that as well? Does that get you off or something?

No, please don't answer - I don't even want to know.)





APOLOGIES TO THE OTHER READERS THAT YOU JUST HAD TO FOLLOW THAT.





To get BACK ON TOPIC:

(which I was since the day I fist posted - to those that DID NOT get it...)

The other thing I noticed is that in a test project I made, could add over 420 instances of Satson channel at 64 samples latency on my ProFire 2626 (i7 980x) and still reached only 65% ASIO load.

That is a lot indeed. Wasn't your i7 Overclocked?

How did you perform the test? A 32 track project cloned (so that you get 64 channels) and then times 8 plugins until you ran out of juice? Did you encounter audio dropouts?

Was there a specific mode activated that raises the CPU usage?


One way or another, this clearly outperforms Slate VCC in terms of instances for the time being.

I'm curious what might happen if pylorca introduces a higher oversampling mode. SKnote's recent limiter sure eats my CPU with 5-7% per instance (8x fixed internal oversampling).

[tman2k (Meathook Audio)]

I PMd to support too, nothing yet. Is it normal to take that much time? Can't wait to use it

It is normal because I had to wait a little bit, too.
And please consider: he has to build your own license with your real name, perhaps another reason for no demo, because you have no real copy protection.

Funny thing is...mine was instant after I purchased it! As soon as PayPal was done, it took me right back to my User Area, and the plugins were already sitting there waiting for me to download. A total time of 5-10 seconds max! I just assumed the custom build was done automatically...

[lightsfadelow]

The other thing I noticed is that in a test project I made, could add over 420 instances of Satson channel at 64 samples latency on my ProFire 2626 (i7 980x) and still reached only 65% ASIO load.

That is a lot indeed. Wasn't your i7 Overclocked?

How did you perform the test? A 32 track project cloned (so that you get 64 channels) and then times 8 plugins until you ran out of juice? Did you encounter audio dropouts?

Was there a specific mode activated that raises the CPU usage?


One way or another, this clearly outperforms Slate VCC in terms of instances for the time being.

I'm curious what might happen if pylorca introduces a higher oversampling mode. SKnote's recent limiter sure eats my CPU with 5-7% per instance (8x fixed internal oversampling).

VST 2.x plugins consume ASIO load whether they are getting audio or not (VST3 fixes this, but Satson is not VST3). So I just took an empty project, inserted a chanel, inserted Satson Channel as the sole plugin, then duplicated the channel (then duplicated the two, then the 4, until I got to 512).

To be clear, I only got up to about 65% ASIO, many of my projects fully loaded go to 80% or higher without any audio artifacting.

I didn't play with modes. Even in the grandest project I could think of I would not have more than 75 instances. So I just said, 'wow, that's a lot of tracks with satson on them!!' and moved on

My CPU is NOT overclocked. It's a stock HP PC i7 980x 6-core 3.33GHz processor running without hyperthreading and 16GB of RAM.

[A.M. Gold]

... Well guess what, you're not the most important thing in the world for the developer right now, it's the customer. ...

Please read closely:

- I am a possible customer
- The possible customer wants to give it a testride "first"
- The possible customer can't, and there is no info for a refund (like Quinto Sardo from Sknote, another developer which "name brands" his plugins, does).

Possible customer is not happy with that outcome, recommends that to his friends, fellows and partners - endresult - possible lost sales.

I'm seeing that this still appears to be largely a fan thread. But what the fans should realize, no matter how ardent and sincere their support may be, that this developer will quickly exhaust his small supply of fans who are willing to do faith-based buying (hmmm, sounds kind of like faith-based politics to me), and then he will be in need of reaching out to and satisfying the basic requirements of everyone else who comprises his base of future potential customers.

I'm taking it at this point that he really doesn't care, and is essentially half in and half out of commercial plug-in marketing, which is fine. It's not going to serve him well in the long run, but that may be something he is perfectly ok with, and he can continue in the future to do a small faith-based business with his fan base.

[bduffy]

Didn't someone just say that he is going to make a demo?

[A.M. Gold]

If so, I missed it---I've only read part of the last page here. If he is, then he is wise to do so, and I'm a bit curious as to what the hold-up was. But on the other hand, he's very new to commercial marketing so maybe it just took time for this aspect of it to sink in.