MeldaProduction

manducator · Post by **manducator** » Sat May 21, 2011 8:23 am

Hello everybody,

Yesterday I finished a mix (I'm an amateur though) and I thought it sounded great but when I compared it to commercial music, it sounded really narrow. Bummer.

I have been searching for a while for a good stereoizer which doesn't destroy my music in mono and that's also 64-bit compatible.

And at last!! Meldaproduction to the rescue! I downloaded the demo from MstereoProcessor and my first thought -after playing around with it a bit- was 'where have you been all my life?'.

I probably overlooked it because I'm a cheap bastard and didn't want to spend € 99. But then again... Lifetime updates? Multiband? Let's do this.

And here I am, telling you all that MstereoProcessor is a life saver for me. No more narrow mixes, no destruction of mono compatibility and a good investment of € 99.

Thanks Vojtech and everybody else involved in Meldaproduction!

kx.001 · Post by **kx.001** » Sat May 21, 2011 9:53 am

doesn't muck up mono? How does it work? I'm just finishing loads of tracks and will probably have to check the mono on them in a bit..

*off to check melda site*

EDIT: is it suitable for use on individual tracks? Its part of the mastering bundle, so is that what its designed for and how much juice does it use?

Cheers!

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Sat May 21, 2011 10:51 am

Thank you very much manducator!

To kx: well, that's secret of course

. But it doesn't use much CPU power, it's more than just a gain, but it's much less than MSpectralDynamics for example. Btw. it cannot create stereo from mono (well, it can, but I'd rather recommend using a chorus or something instead). It's indeed more like for mastering, when you need to control the stereo image.

kx.001 · Post by **kx.001** » Sat May 21, 2011 11:13 am

Ah ok - I was looking to something for individual tracks (usually stereo, with some panning or a reverb) to place things around the rhythm section.

You're getting slow with the replies

I was very impressed with the speed of my licence transfer yesterday - are you glued to the computer? lol etc.

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Sat May 21, 2011 11:46 am

, well, I had to sleep for a few hours... Major update, it's a mess, I hope it will be over soon, so I can get some more sleep, probably 16 hours or something

.

miro pajic · Post by **miro pajic** » Sat May 21, 2011 8:29 pm

Talking about MStereoProcessor:

There's something I have noticed when I applied it on full mixes..

When I use the least amount of exciter and very little widening (maybe 5-15% on upper mid and high band), the waveform has some pretty hard jumps afterwards (meaning that there's a few peaks of around 5(!)dB above the original peak. That seems pretty hard and almost too dynamic.

I'm using it with caution and a lot headroom for whatever plugin may come afterwards + it takes another step of ironing these peaks out.

Besides that it's a really cool tool (and I believe the only other plugin similar to that is Ozone).

Can you say something about this Vojtech?

Thanks

miro pajic · Post by **miro pajic** » Sat May 21, 2011 8:37 pm

Ok...I found it!!

Just did some more testing and even with everything set to "0", the waveform would look very different from the original file (adding loads of spikes).

Finally I came to the idea oif switching to linear phase crossover and voila

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Sat May 21, 2011 9:58 pm

miro pajic wrote:Ok...I found it!!

Just did some more testing and even with everything set to "0", the waveform would look very different from the original file (adding loads of spikes).

Finally I came to the idea oif switching to linear phase crossover and voila

Yeah, analog crossovers can cause a lot of distortion especially to already limited audio signals. That's usually not good, but linear-phase crossover isn't a solution to everything. Mainly the preringing can often sound very bad.

kabelton · Post by **kabelton** » Sat May 21, 2011 11:07 pm

interesting... btw. what is preringing?

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Sat May 21, 2011 11:33 pm

kabelton wrote:interesting... btw. what is preringing?

Well, take a lowpass and process an impulse - it will result in a long oscillating tail from the impulse, that's post-ringing, because it sounds like a ringing on the resonant cutoff frequency.
Preringing is the tail BEFORE the impulse. That means that whatever you process will have some kind of "fade-in" before it. It's often not noticeable, but sometimes it can do a harm. For example processing a bass drum with LP eq results in a big pile of mud usually.
That's because postringing usually isn't noticeable, because the transient at the beginning makes the brain ignore it and consider it "part of the sound that it already analyzed". But preringing is much more audible.

miro pajic · Post by **miro pajic** » Sat May 21, 2011 11:40 pm

Yes, the pre ringing can be pretty obvious (IME in LP EQ's). Will have to test it more with that this tool.

Thanks for the reply

kabelton · Post by **kabelton** » Sat May 21, 2011 11:50 pm

thx for your explanation!

manducator · Post by **manducator** » Sun May 22, 2011 7:46 am

kx.001 wrote:doesn't muck up mono? How does it work?

I'm no software developer and I don't really have a clue but let's think logically here, for a moment.

All mono-info is the info that is equally coming from the left and right speaker. That info is perceived as being in the middle.

All info that's coming from the left speaker but not from the right and vice verse (the sides) is the stereo-info.

So if you make a plugin that only 'messes' with the sides-info and leaves the mono sounds untouched, you can never have problems with mono-compatibility. The info from the sides is always left away when converting to mono so whatever you do with the side-info, it won't be noticable while listening to it in mono.

Am I close?

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Sun May 22, 2011 11:16 am

Yes, that's true

(the basic widening at least).

reax · Post by **reax** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:41 am

Could you tell me how to use the MStereoProcessor to compare the wideness of my reference tracks?
For example I take my wav track and import that in Logic pro 9, then Import two reference tracks, thus I have 3 audio tracks to compare with. Is it possible to automate that? I mean print one reference, then print next reference and apply/match these prints to my wav track? How to do that? As I understand, it Morph does, right? But how to apply that? Should I insert MStereoProcessor to master chain and compare each track separately? (but how it will print each setting?) or I should use MStereoProcessor on three audiotrack's chains? (but again how it will print each setting to match with mine one?) Your thoughts please!