KVR Audio

C-note · Post by **C-note** » Thu May 26, 2011 7:28 am

HA Ha - Ipad good for baby apps like garage band - no good for real Pro Daw apps like Hollywood Strings + Cubase/Logic 9. Most if not all default Macbook Pro systems speced with 5400 rpm hard drives ? absolutely low end in pc based systems. Macbook Pro way behind HP 17in Envy with (2) 750 gig 7200 rpm drives and $800 less in price. Macbook Pro = overpriced and lower standard features compared to HP/Dell PC's

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Thu May 26, 2011 8:48 am

C-note wrote:HA Ha - Ipad good for baby apps like garage band - no good for real Pro Daw apps like Hollywood Strings + Cubase/Logic 9. Most if not all default Macbook Pro systems speced with 5400 rpm hard drives ? absolutely low end in pc based systems. Macbook Pro way behind HP 17in Envy with (2) 750 gig 7200 rpm drives and $800 less in price. Macbook Pro = overpriced and lower standard features compared to HP/Dell PC's

Everything depends on your needs. Fortunatly,for my needs the iPad 2 and the gear listed in my sig, makes me think of PC studios as something from the past (to me, that is

), just the way, I thought of hardware when software took over in the 00s.

I just want t make some decent hobby music, so I'll leave the PC (and the hardware) to the professional studios.

xamido · Post by **xamido** » Thu May 26, 2011 9:20 am

Ipad for me is for live performance. Those touch osc combined with logic and nerve are a god send for live effect. But for serious music production, it's not that efficient, it takes longer time to make a song in ipad compared to normal DAW.

wakax · Post by **wakax** » Thu May 26, 2011 9:49 am

not really

ipad it's not so good experience for me.
90 % of music software on ipad is half baked or crashes.
or both

not many audio coders ( or big players like NI or Steinberg ) take it seriously.
and so on ...

the hardware is quite good but the software ... after you worked so many years with a pc or a mac - it looks like unfinished toys

still -(so far) as a osc / midi controller is ACE

kuniklo · Post by **kuniklo** » Thu May 26, 2011 11:08 am

xamido wrote:Ipad for me is for live performance.

I agree. Some of the iPad music apps like Nanostudio are impressive but I have to admit that none of them have really become useful music tools for me. Other novel noisemakers are fun for a while but when I have things like Reaktor's Metaphysical Function two clicks away on my Macbook they all look pretty gimmicky in comparison.

The iPad makes a great controller, but the problem there is that this is really a niche market. The number of people that have an iPad *and* know how to rig up midi is small, so IMO this isn't really a very attractive area for a developer to work in.

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Tue May 31, 2011 6:58 am

wakax wrote:ipad it's not so good experience for me.
90 % of music software on ipad is half baked or crashes.
or both

Sad and strange. I have only experienced a few chrashes with my gear, both on my iPad 2 and iPod Touch. Which apps are you running?

wakax wrote: not many audio coders ( or big players like NI or Steinberg ) take it seriously.
and so on ...

But those who do take it seriously do indeed continually update their software with new features and improvements

Nanostudio has just been updated with more tracks, inserts and mastering effects. An update to Music Studio is also on its ways where audio tracks are added. Korg iMS20, iElectribe, Rebirth and Aurora HD have recently been updated with copy-and-paste support for transfer between apps and iSequence HD is going to have a additive synth added in a future update. What people think are missing from these apps today, might already be here tomorrow. I'd say that it is fine and understandable if people prefer PCs for music making but in principle you should be able to make music just as good on an iPad. It might be a PITA due to lack of patience(e.g. slow process to copy and paste audio or wifi-transfer it)or if you are a pro music producer using large RAM demanding sample libs, but for electronic music, I would wonder what people think that are missing gearwise: You have synths, samplers, drum machines, Vocoders, sequencers, insert effects, mastering effects, audio tracks (e.g. Studio.HD and Meteor), amp simulators, voice processing apps and hardware wise you have dedicated microphones, midi converters, break out boxes, dock stations and control keyboards. Everything is covered, isn't it?

Cheers

smokyfrog · Post by **smokyfrog** » Tue May 31, 2011 7:57 pm

Simple question: does anyone know of an iPad "DAW" that sends or receives MIDI clock?
Cheers

botkiller · Post by **botkiller** » Tue May 31, 2011 8:03 pm

smokyfrog wrote:Simple question: does anyone know of an iPad "DAW" that sends or receives MIDI clock?
Cheers

You can do wireless MIDI with some of the apps that are available - but there isn't really a proper DAW for the ipad yet. Garageband isn't there, and the others don't do everything you need in a DAW.

I really hope that ipads aren't the "end" of the laptop era. The ipad is cool and all, and I like mine, but I can't say that I'll ever see myself using it for ALL of my production work. I don't want to be forced into it, either. The fact that Apple is releasing the next iteration of Final Cut as an app download on the app store is utter garbage, to me. It means they're watering down their applications to make them palatable to the masses, nothing more. I'm glad they know how to monetize, that's great and all... but some of us have real work to get done.

el-bo (formerly ebow) · Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:12 am

Nokenoku wrote:
IncarnateX wrote:
Nokenoku wrote:A Shooter for example is best played with mouse+keyboard, not touchpad or gamepad.
...
It all comes down to training and personal preferences. And that I believe to be a universal and quite trivial fact.
It isn't.
A shooter is best played with mouse+keyboard. THAT is a fact.
You will never ever find a person on gamepad, who could compete with a good mouse-player.

nope, it all comes down to training and personal preference...a key-mouse combo might be much faster for competitive fragging, but i've grown up playing console games, relaxing on sofas with friends who are actually sitting next to me

all of this is preferable to sitting hunched over a screen with worsening rsi symptoms (i've had 2 operations for carpal tunnel)

i know i wouldn't last a second, online (i know, i've tried), but i don't care...it's not what i'm interested in ...therefore, what is BEST for me is xbox 360 pad compatibility which many pc game developers are still too short-sighted to cater for

penguinfromdeep · Post by **penguinfromdeep** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:19 am

botkiller wrote:
The fact that Apple is releasing the next iteration of Final Cut as an app download on the app store is utter garbage, to me. It means they're watering down their applications to make them palatable to the masses, nothing more.

If it's available as download on app store, how is it watering down the application? I see it more as a convenience. Anybody could've bought Final Cut before too, not just the pro's. The app is still very powerful, they're not cutting down on the features now are they

Dewaine · Post by **Dewaine** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:15 pm

The key here is app development and maturity. Windows/OSX have been around 25 years. The iPad has been out 1 year. What amazes me is how good it already is. I can seriously see that when iPad 5 comes out, I may no longer have any need for a PC at all. It has already replaced my netbook, Nintendo DS, Sony eReader, laptop, and 90% of what I do on my desktop. The only thing really left that I use my desktop for is photoshop and some music.....

It depends on your needs. Just because because a studio has hardware pro mixers, effects, etc does not mean you can't make music at home on your computer. And just because the iPad does not have duel monitors, and a quad core, does not mean you can't make music on it.....

smokyfrog · Post by **smokyfrog** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:35 pm

penguinfromdeep wrote:
botkiller wrote: Developers! Developers! Your plug-ins should be circuit modeled!!! It's the shizzz! Also don't forget oversampling!

Actually, the most important thing is understanding how circuits work. For example the role of the capacitor in an analogue envelope appears unknown to many creators of software versions...

Sorry, totally OT of course.

Gribs · Post by **Gribs** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:39 pm

What about the Intel Ultrabook concept?

Ultrabook

More on ultrabook

It appears that Intel is trying to make a statement that it thinks it is possible to squeeze more performance out of a tablet-like thing without taxing the battery life too much or generating significantly more heat. I do not think it is possible to get something close to the performance of a Core i7-based lap top, but there is probably much more performance to squeeze out of a tablet, especially if you are willing to accept a cut in battery life by a factor of two or even a factor of 5 and replace your laptop with it (with a smaller-sized battery - not the big stand-like thing - my HP engineering notebook gets only about an hour or so of life). I think this is especially true for the casual user who does not expect a significant computational device. Intel is naturally trying to compete to get its chips into more mobile devices and time will tell what sort of real performance can be attained.

However for rendering multiple audio tracks, running modern software synthesizers like DCAM, Omnisphere, Alchemy, Largo, etc., I am just not so sure that the tablets are going to catch up any time soon.

polaris20 · Post by **polaris20** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:39 pm

C-note wrote:HA Ha - Ipad good for baby apps like garage band - no good for real Pro Daw apps like Hollywood Strings + Cubase/Logic 9. Most if not all default Macbook Pro systems speced with 5400 rpm hard drives ? absolutely low end in pc based systems. Macbook Pro way behind HP 17in Envy with (2) 750 gig 7200 rpm drives and $800 less in price. Macbook Pro = overpriced and lower standard features compared to HP/Dell PC's

HP's consumer stuff is junk though. Actually, so is their business line. If you're going to talk about PC's, at least refer to GOOD PC's.

And whining about something that costs $50-$100 to easily replace is just that; whining. I've never kept a stock drive in ANY computer I've got, be it Mac, Windows, or Linux.

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:08 pm

Last year I started this thread for the fun of it. Now I have just realised that there actually are people who believe that the iPad will destroy the laptop market. Just look at this report:

http://www.benzinga.com/news/12/01/2270 ... top-market

So here is a splendid opportunity for some iPad versus PC action.

Discuss, troll, offend etc.

iPad 2: The end of the laptop era?