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WOK · Post by **WOK** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:54 am

Example of the shading errors:

Could this be smoother?

g200kg · Post by **g200kg** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:39 am

Is that a SkinMan's gradation tool?
It looks because of the gradation point

gradation tool will not make gradation outside of the points.

WOK · Post by **WOK** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:47 pm

Maybe this is more clear:

The Gradation tool seem to have some "stepping" at the beginning and end.
The Lightning/Spec. function in Knobman could have a more "soft running off" at the ends.

g200kg · Post by **g200kg** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:21 pm

I think that are Mach bands
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach_bands

KnobMan's lighting is fully covered the primitive, then no Mach bands are generated.

anyway, the reason is that SkinMan's gradation is consist of polygonal curved luminance. i would like to do some investigation.

WOK · Post by **WOK** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:51 pm

g200kg wrote:I think that are Mach bands
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach_bands
KnobMan's lighting is fully covered the primitive, then no Mach bands are generated.
anyway, the reason is that SkinMan's gradation is consist of polygonal curved luminance. i would like to do some investigation.

Yes, the "whiter" line in the Knobman example is an illusion - I measured that in Gimp. But maybe the crossover blend could be more smooth (inv exp instead linear?).
In Skinman there is definately something wrong - you can see at the gradation with identical colors; the gradation color is always 5/256 darker until the border (must be "ends with 235" in my example picture).

g200kg · Post by **g200kg** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:25 pm

ok,
I have found a bug about the pixel blending logic. it makes error of 255/256.
EDIT: (that cause the 5/256 error i think)
Thanks WOK

BTW how about the Mach bands filter, that applies S-curve instead of polygonal curve. do you think is that important?

WOK · Post by **WOK** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:07 pm

Here is a comparison with similar constructions:

Photoshop

Skinman

3* 255>0 in different gaps, the 4. is 200>100 gray.

I don't know the Photoshop algorithm, but it's slightly smoother at the "ends"

g200kg · Post by **g200kg** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:21 pm

hello,

SkinMan 0.999i is released
http://www.g200kg.com/en/software/skinman.html

0.999i 20110622
* BugFix: Pixel color accuracy improved especially using Gradation
* BugFix: UseTextureAlpha is not effective when Diffuse is not zero
* Added 'Smoother' parameter that make Gradation more smooth, applying splined curve

Smoother sample:

WOK · Post by **WOK** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:13 pm

Thanks!
But now something about the knobs in Skinman goes wrong: When I open/edit a knob saved in an old skin, always all layers are switched to visible. Even I turn them off, save the knob, close knobman, it is showing correct in Skinman, but when I edit it again, the layers are all switched to visible again.
If I do this with a new skin (inserting a new knob), always all layers in the knob are turned off when opening it for editing!

WOK · Post by **WOK** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:27 pm

WOK wrote:Thanks!
But now something about the knobs in Skinman goes wrong: When I open/edit a knob saved in an old skin, always all layers are switched to visible. Even I turn them off, save the knob, close knobman, it is showing correct in Skinman, but when I edit it again, the layers are all switched to visible again.
If I do this with a new skin (inserting a new knob), always all layers in the knob are turned off when opening it for editing!

Addendum: it's not Skinman. Knobman 1.48 causes this. 1.47 works correct.

g200kg · Post by **g200kg** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:47 pm

WOK wrote:
WOK wrote:Thanks!
But now something about the knobs in Skinman goes wrong: When I open/edit a knob saved in an old skin, always all layers are switched to visible. Even I turn them off, save the knob, close knobman, it is showing correct in Skinman, but when I edit it again, the layers are all switched to visible again.
If I do this with a new skin (inserting a new knob), always all layers in the knob are turned off when opening it for editing!
Addendum: it's not Skinman. Knobman 1.48 causes this. 1.47 works correct.

Thanks, Now checking.
that is caused by the multi-style feature that also has another bugs. seems i had been too greedy to expanding.

WOK · Post by **WOK** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:15 pm

g200kg wrote:Thanks, Now checking.
that is caused by the multi-style feature that also has another bugs. seems i had been too greedy to expanding.

Take your time. These are great pieces of software.

The rest is fine-tuning now. More important than many new features is that existing features work correct (not like Microsoft...).

And while checking: (

) In Skinman, after drawing a free-hand shape: when I change the size with the number fields, the shape does not change it's size. I have to click on it and "edit", then "end edit", then click something else in the object tree, then the size of the shape changes.

g200kg · Post by **g200kg** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:16 pm

anyway, KnobMan is updated because the bug, visibilities can't load/save seems be critical to common usage.

http://www.g200kg.com/en/software/knobman.html

Phil Sonic Academy · Post by **Phil Sonic Academy** » Sun Jun 26, 2011 8:21 pm

Hi im getting this on new install of WinXp on Bootcamp. any ideas?

"This application has failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect"

jobromedia · Post by **jobromedia** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 8:19 am

Something's wrong in 0.999h: Try create a few primitives, and group them. The primitives are now a few pixels from where you created them. Sometimes even the width is altered. I tried to lock the objects, before grouping, but this had no effect. I also tried to copy the group a few times. The same thing happens with them.

SKINMAN, the new strike by g200kg (early early alpha)