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Urs · Post by **Urs** » Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:18 pm

syntheticillusion wrote:may I ask that this synth be like arturia's moog modular in that when you take a connection it shows possible inputs to route outputs into

Ahem... I have no idea whatever limitations are imposed on the product you mention. In Bazille (like in ACE) *any* output can be routed into *any* input. Thus all I ever did was, I made the outputs look different from inputs. No need to make them "shiny"...

If a modular synthesizer has outputs that can not be connected with every input, then it's, well, flawed. It would simply not be like hardware.

Urs

jonahs · Post by **jonahs** » Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:27 am

I bet it's in the thread somewhere, but could someone point me to the right page or explain "same" and oscs in general to me? I'm not clear to me how the two choices interact. Thanks!

Even though I'm not clear on the OSCs about a week ago working with bazille really clicked with me! That's one of the great things about software, I suppose. What made me fall in love was the sequencer. But this does lead me to some feature requests.

-I really, really, really need more mixers. As cool as the waveform display is I would give up that space. But where a mixer would be especially useful is above the sequencer. I often give up one whole mixer just to run all the sequencer outs into it and then route the master out elsewhere.

-I'd love to be able to modulate the division on the sequencer.

-A small usability improvement would be the ability to copy a sequencer snapshot. Also to invert and even save them. I found you generally get the most "musical" results using generic wave shapes. Although, starting at the mid point and then alternating increasing and decreasing until you are the the full range is useful too. Regardless, these are pretty dull to draw over and over. I'd love to do it once and save it for later.

-If you hit control after you have already clicked I'd like it if it swapped over to the other mode. Sometimes I click a bit too fast. It'd also be nice to optionally be able to toggle control on or off if you want to do a lot of swapping.

-I thought there was a way to change the look of the wires? I'd prefer if they looked like the control mode, but thinner would be better and maybe transparent? The divide knob of the sequencer gets lost very easily as well as the lag knobs and a few others.

-Any chance the crosstalk or osc cap failure options from A.C.E. will make it over?

Anyway, has anyone come up with any good ways to make the sequencer go generative? I haven't come up with anything satisfying so far. I think I might have better results linking it to the ADSR, I'll have to try later.

On a funny note, I had somehow installed version .3 (my computer isn't even that old!) and the white noise was enough that I was going to plead to purchcase a license now. Thankfully, all that is fixed in version .4. One difference I noticed is that in .3 the GUI updates much faster when cables are moved. Point 4 has bit of a delay even though CPU use is the same.

Thanks again for the gift of getting to test Bazille!

rexlapin · Post by **rexlapin** » Fri Aug 19, 2011 3:53 am

Hi,
You *can* change the look of the wires by right
clicking (control clicking on Mac) on a jack and
scrolling to the bottom of the drop down list.
This also works with ACE btw.
Cheers,
Scott

justin3am · Post by **justin3am** » Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:23 am

jonahs wrote:I bet it's in the thread somewhere, but could someone point me to the right page or explain "same" and oscs in general to me? I'm not clear to me how the two choices interact. Thanks!

It makes more sense if you turn the frequency of the oscilloscope way down and just play with a single osc for a bit. The output of each osc is split into two parts which you select from the pull down menus. When the 'Waves' knob is fully CCW, you just get a sine wave but when you turn it CW the Osc begins to morph into the shapes you selected (in simple terms). The fractal resonance adds overtones that are related to the original wave shape. The higher the fractal resonance is set, the higher the frequency of the overtones. Fractal resonance can sound like a really squelchy filter, dense FM or heavy distortion, depending on the resonance shape and the Waves settings.

If you are a fan of complex modulation, remember that the audio oscillators can also be run at LFO rates and even synced to tempo. You can get some really crazy LFO shapes using all the waveform parameters and FM feedback and such.

Anyway, has anyone come up with any good ways to make the sequencer go generative? I haven't come up with anything satisfying so far.

Use the sample and hold. Patch the sequencer into the sample and hold, clock it from an Oscillator at LFO rate, modulate the oscillator rate with the sequencer, send the sample and hold out to what you are trying to sequence. Alternately, use the sequencer as the clock and the control source for the sample and hold, create a different sequence for each sequencer slot, send the output of the sample and hold to stage address input on the sequencer and what ever else you are trying to sequence. Throw a lag generator in before the control input on the sample and hold to get weird. You can have a lot of pseudo sequence fun using the quantizer and sample and hold together... grrr... I wish the quantizer had a trigger output for every time it spit out a new value![/quote]

n0rd · Post by **n0rd** » Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:23 pm

Bazille is just nUtz... Love it!

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:46 pm

n0rd wrote:Bazille is just nUtz... Love it!

It is

But it's easy to get lost with the wires if you have too much fun

Bronto Scorpio · Post by **Bronto Scorpio** » Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:06 pm

justin3am wrote:Some pretty generic electronic music...
http://www.3amnoise.net/whir.wav

Every sound came from Bazille, one synth was processed with MFM2 for glitchy delays and drums are compressed using Zebrify for dual-band parallel compression. I also used Uhbik-A as a send.

I just had to quote this post from 2009

Found that track on my hdd a few hours ago again and I still love it

Cheers
Dennis

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:27 pm

Urs wrote:
syntheticillusion wrote:may I ask that this synth be like arturia's moog modular in that when you take a connection it shows possible inputs to route outputs into
Ahem... I have no idea whatever limitations are imposed on the product you mention. In Bazille (like in ACE) *any* output can be routed into *any* input. Thus all I ever did was, I made the outputs look different from inputs. No need to make them "shiny"...

If a modular synthesizer has outputs that can not be connected with every input, then it's, well, flawed. It would simply not be like hardware.

Urs

Any, sure is good, but as a UI Designer I find what Syntheticillusion is talking about is actually fairly useful even if inputs and outputs look different. Even if there was just a subtle glow or outline. Maybe something that can be turned off by users who are very familiar with Bazille.

In a sense, one of the things I like about how VAZ Modular does it is there are no "wires" just drop down menus telling you what's currently available to assign. To me, this makes hooking things up fast and easy, but makes deciphering what I did to get where I am difficult. I'd love to see a hybrid approach where you can connect wires like ACE/Bazille but maybe also right click on those outputs and see a list of available inputs.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:24 pm

zerocrossing wrote:I'd love to see a hybrid approach where you can connect wires like ACE/Bazille but maybe also right click on those outputs and see a list of available inputs.

But why bother right clicking when a glance shows any available input? It is faster to look than to click and look. And since any unused input can be used, there is no ambiguity.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:51 pm

Actually, right-clicking an input gets you all the ouputs

However, yeah, some bling might be nice... I might eventually implement & use mouse overs and stuff...

ford442 · Post by **ford442** » Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:08 pm

i am a little in the dark - will the Berlin Modular system have interlinking elements ever or is it a line of separate instruments? and is the current form of Bazille the full instrument or are there more modular parts to come?

i am curious partly if there will be a sequencer involved in all of this?

thanks!

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:46 pm

Many of the things in Bazille, as wonderful as they are, can be a bit overwhelming and confusing. The lag units and how sample and hold works. An idea would be to maybe have some tab or similar where everything was explained. Going wikipedia sort of aborts the fun creativity bazille springs

The oscillators could use some explanation and so the resonance thing (although that was explained in a post by you .. so "I" know it now

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Reading the post a few steps above.. So, with zebrify you can make dualband parallel compressors huh? And with your effect plugin pack .. and that delay and isnt there a reverb too?
You have all bases covered then.
Now ............ Host?

Not a traditional one, but an Urs one. Maybe step sequencers for notes and all modulation. All modular like XT (the host im using right now which is great for continuing the wiring madness of ace and bazille outside). Have you considered making a host? Entertain me with your thoughts if you wish

(if you have better things to do, you're off the hook)

rexlapin · Post by **rexlapin** » Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:58 pm

If you are on OSX Numerology makes a great step-sequencing
host! http://www.kvraudio.com/news.php?id=17124
Cheers,
Scott

justin3am · Post by **justin3am** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:07 am

rexlapin wrote:If you are on OSX Numerology makes a great step-sequencing
host! http://www.kvraudio.com/news.php?id=17124
Cheers,
Scott

No kidding. Numerology makes an ideal host for U-He plug-ins. Get a Novation Launch pad and TouchOSC involved and you have an amazing performance tool.

justin3am · Post by **justin3am** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:00 am

Bronto Scorpio wrote:
justin3am wrote:Some pretty generic electronic music...
http://www.3amnoise.net/whir.wav

Every sound came from Bazille, one synth was processed with MFM2 for glitchy delays and drums are compressed using Zebrify for dual-band parallel compression. I also used Uhbik-A as a send.
I just had to quote this post from 2009

Found that track on my hdd a few hours ago again and I still love it

Cheers
Dennis

Thanks Dennis!

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