Sonimus Satson (Console emulation) ready to buy now :)

[mandolarian]

Mmm! All this talk about crosstalk... back in the day engineers hated the fact that mixer channels talked to each other.. erroneous stuff bleeding from one channel to the next.

This from Wikipedia:

In electronics, crosstalk (XT) is any phenomenon by which a signal transmitted on one circuit or channel of a transmission system creates an undesired effect in another circuit or channel. Crosstalk is usually caused by undesired capacitive, inductive, or conductive coupling from one circuit, part of a circuit, or channel, to another.

I understand the desire to recreate the sound of yesteryear but 'Crosstalk Wow and Flutter and Co' were really undesirable artifacts back then. the only thing that I remember engineers loving was the fact that they could 'drive a signal in the red' to create the saturation effect that in my opinion is the only effect worth emulating in 2011. I feel the sound of a Neve or SSL or Harrison came primarily from the components used in the desk itself not the crosstalk.

There are a lot of naked emperors running around these days.

+1

As someone who had to use analog gear for too many years I can't agree with you more. Crosstalk was a pain - not just in the console, but on the tape too. At least today, we have a choice - Clean or Dirty. Back in the previous century we dreamed of clean, but toiled in the dirt.

[sonicpowa]

Well, somebody else will have to chime in because as far as I can remember/tell, every single parameter IS and WAS always only applicable to each individual instance. My memory must be playing tricks on me. Or something.

That's how I remember it.

Yes, it says 'These options will only affect to this instance" on v1 and 1.1

btw, I prefer Satson over SPL Twin Tube but that's just IMHO. I know these are not comparable but I was using it like that.

[sonicpowa]

Satson has great filters.
If you want to use the same sounding HP-filter with EQuality (without saturation of course) set it to 12dB/oct and Q=0.52, it's not exactly the same slope but very close.

[samsam]

Well, somebody else will have to chime in because as far as I can remember/tell, every single parameter IS and WAS always only applicable to each individual instance. My memory must be playing tricks on me. Or something.

That's how I remember it.

Yes, it says 'These options will only affect to this instance" on v1 and 1.1

btw, I prefer Satson over SPL Twin Tube but that's just IMHO. I know these are not comparable but I was using it like that.

Yep, that's why I added "or something"...

[Compyfox]

So how are Satson and the others doing it?

they are lying...thats how...

Yes and no.


The "crosstalk" in most mentionend (and recently released console plugins, though StripBus doesn't have crosstalk - at least not the version I have) are usually only on the bus plugin. The interaction/overload of the channels on top of the summing bus is missing. It's not the whole circuity, only the essense.

Here, VCC initially offered the "drift mode" (which is still not activated) and SKnote actually pulled it off with the "Strip" plugin if you have a network with several instances overloaded, etc.

I understand the desire to recreate the sound of yesteryear but 'Crosstalk Wow and Flutter and Co' were really undesirable artifacts back then. the only thing that I remember engineers loving was the fact that they could 'drive a signal in the red' to create the saturation effect that in my opinion is the only effect worth emulating in 2011. I feel the sound of a Neve or SSL or Harrison came primarily from the components used in the desk itself not the crosstalk.

I can feel you on that end with the saturation part. And thankfully, some firms are working on pulling that off (example: the input gain stage of VoS BootEQmkII, MellowMuse's Input Transformer plugin, URS Saturator, SoundToys Decapitator, etc) on top of the usual Nebula suspects.

But thankfully, the crosstalk is still fairly low on most plugin creations (depending on your source material as well). Now in case of SATSON as well with the Modern setting. It's sitting in the noise floor between -95dBFS (digital) and -65dBFS (digital). If you have overdriven your signal anyway, you barely hear it. The effect you hear is that stuff "collapses" a bit - which gives you the impression of a glued sound.

You either like it, or don't.

Aparently, some do. Then again... do these people use such a plugin like in the old days with proper gain staging or just as they seem fit? Because this adds to the equation and prominence of a certain "sound" as well.

There are a lot of naked emperors running around these days.

Gah, please... my eyes.

Back in the previous century we dreamed of clean, but toiled in the dirt.

I think those new to making music and suddenly having ACCESS to all these tools from yesteryear with a new twist, unlimited usage (until the CPU is filled up), total recall and what not on top of being fairly cheap... *inhales* ...don't know all that and simply "want" it (again), since it was teh sh*t back in the day, so it must be again nowadays.


Someone please create me a ground loop/humming plugin... oh wait... I have Izotope Vinyl lying around somewhere.

If you want to use the same sounding HP-filter with EQuality (without saturation of course) set it to 12dB/oct and Q=0.52, it's not exactly the same slope but very close.

So I was right in saying that they were tuned.

[sonicpowa]

If you want to use the same sounding HP-filter with EQuality (without saturation of course) set it to 12dB/oct and Q=0.52, it's not exactly the same slope but very close.

So I was right in saying that they were tuned.

Yep they seem to be tuned. The developer also said "Satson's High Quality Filters (both low and high pass) are tuned to sound sweet and pleasant to the ear."

[Whitten]

Uugh, a lot of bah humbug going around.

I have a lot of high end gear sitting in my rack and I just like the sound of Satson too.
I'm not adding crosstalk or 'fat'.
I'm chiefly using the filters just enough to achieve the sound i want..... yes they sound sweet...... and pushing the gain into the 'red' a little.
That's it.
It's $39 and I can use it on every track in my mix, probably the cheapest plug-in I own.
I wouldn't tell anyone they need Satson or any other console emulation. I like the sound on my mixes and the price is good. That's it.

[Fritze]

I didn't see my question answered, so: How do these plugins do the crosstalk thing?

[Fritze]

Is there anywhere an audio example that demonstrates the "benefits" of crosstalk? In theory to me it seems like a rather unpleasant "feature".

[Fritze]

So how are Satson and the others doing it?

they are lying...thats how...

That makes total sense!

[sonicpowa]

I didn't see my question answered, so: How do these plugins do the crosstalk thing?

A small amount of left channel is sent to the right channel and vice versa, with saturation. That's the basic thing but it has to be tuned.

[Fritze]

I didn't see my question answered, so: How do these plugins do the crosstalk thing?

A small amount of left channel is sent to the right channel and vice versa, with saturation. That's the basic thing but it has to be tuned.

So it's really only a stereo crosstalk in these plugins?

[sonicpowa]

So it's really only a stereo crosstalk in these plugins?

I think so. Real crosstalk plugins would be an extreme CPU hog system for very little benefit. I don't think XT is that important part of the 'analog' sound.

[hibidy]

The crosstalk TALK has my crosseyed!

Since I can't demo it I don't know what everyone is talking about. Anyways, I just like the idea of the filters.

[DrApostropheX]

The crosstalk TALK has my crosseyed!

Since I can't demo it I don't know what everyone is talking about. Anyways, I just like the idea of the filters.

Sorry to make you cross, but I don't know that I notice the stereo crosstalk really (which is probably a good thing), but I do know that the Sonimus Satson plug-ins are really light on the CPU and make it really easy to set volume levels while mixing. And if you're going to buy it, now would be the time before the whopping $11 increase next Wednesday .