This isn't a troll post. I'm just interested in hopefully getting a better understanding of why the sound doesn't appeal to me, especially because I generally think u-he synths are some of the best sounding software synths.
At c3 and above they sound great, but the lower they go the more unpleasant they sound to me. A single note sounds acceptable, but two notes at once, uhg. Using Tyrell as an example, if I turn on voice stack up to 6 or so things are "fixed". Lowering the quality in ACE helps too. The high frequency side seems to be the more aggravating to me. Also, with effects and modulations the unpleasant characteristic goes away, but I haven't pinned it down on one setting yet. It's really only the pure sound that bugs me. Drift doesn't seem to have an effect.
Yes, I've used analog synths and no, I've never heard anything like this. Although, I haven't used all of them and I wonder if the wave forms are maybe inspired by a Monosynth?
Thanks for any knowledge!
Why do I dislike the sound of 2 pure U-he saw/pulse waves at low pitches?
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- KVRAF
- 4197 posts since 23 May, 2004 from Bad Vilbel, Germany
I'm very interested in such phenomena. I have an aversion to what I call "crockery frequencies" that only started about 5 years ago. I feel actual pain when two plates clatter together. I *think* this has to do with my aging ears being over-sensitive to the very top of my range (a little below 14k). I don't want to scare you, but perhaps you also have a "peak" in your hearing? How old are you?
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- KVRAF
- 3817 posts since 8 Mar, 2006
Hmmm... I don't really understand what you are trying to say, jonahs.
Playing more than one note on lowers saw or square octaves are always sounding bad to me.
On Zebra try switching the OSC render mode from soft to crisp with max resolution if lower saw/square notes sound like they are lacking in high freqs.
Playing more than one note on lowers saw or square octaves are always sounding bad to me.
On Zebra try switching the OSC render mode from soft to crisp with max resolution if lower saw/square notes sound like they are lacking in high freqs.
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- KVRist
- 78 posts since 12 May, 2005 from Finger Lakes, NY, US
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperacusisHoward wrote:"crockery frequencies"
http://www.hyperacusis.net/hyperacusis/ ... efault.asp
Most people wouldn't know good music if it bit them in the ass. –FZ
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- KVRAF
- 4197 posts since 23 May, 2004 from Bad Vilbel, Germany
No, not that (fortunately), but thanks anyway!groundhum wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperacusisHoward wrote:"crockery frequencies"
http://www.hyperacusis.net/hyperacusis/ ... efault.asp
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 464 posts since 27 Nov, 2009
First, I have to apologize. I decided to spend a little time recording the waveforms and looking at them and I must admit some of it was user error on my part. I thought I had made a blank slate patch, but some settings had not been completely zeroed out. 
The upshot is that it's allowed me to better isolate what some of the contributing factors are. It's seems that PW and FM are the biggest culprits. It makes sense, but I'm still not able to replicate it to the same degree in other synths. I may just not be good enough at programming.
The architecture of the synths probably plays a part as well.
Very interesting info Howard! Crockery frequencies is a very apt description as it is like a type of clattering.
Hmm, I'm not that old, but I did regretfully and foolishly mistreat my ears when I was younger (Merbow live w/o ear plugs! Plus gigs). I wonder if because the upper range of my hearing may be damaged that is why I notice it more on the lower registers? I can still hear the tone that only teenagers are supposed to hear and things like mosquitos though.
I don't think I have hyperacusis because I still love loud sounds and I have to use restraint not to turn things up.
The upshot is that it's allowed me to better isolate what some of the contributing factors are. It's seems that PW and FM are the biggest culprits. It makes sense, but I'm still not able to replicate it to the same degree in other synths. I may just not be good enough at programming.
The architecture of the synths probably plays a part as well.Very interesting info Howard! Crockery frequencies is a very apt description as it is like a type of clattering.
Hmm, I'm not that old, but I did regretfully and foolishly mistreat my ears when I was younger (Merbow live w/o ear plugs! Plus gigs). I wonder if because the upper range of my hearing may be damaged that is why I notice it more on the lower registers? I can still hear the tone that only teenagers are supposed to hear and things like mosquitos though.
I don't think I have hyperacusis because I still love loud sounds and I have to use restraint not to turn things up.