Diva versus Ace

[Uncle E]

I somehow get the feeling that people think that ACE and Zebra suddenly sound bad since Diva is released.

Yeah, I wrote "accurate analog modeling" as opposed to "sounds better" for that very reason. For me personally, DIVA actually does sound much better than those two (in their present forms) but I totally get someone else might want to move into more experimental territories than DIVA can provide.

[Uncle E]

I would not want to have to choose between Diva and Bazille (I like Bazille bit more than ACE). But if I absolutely had to, I suppose it would be Bazille.

Right, and I would choose DIVA in that case. Neither of us is wrong, we're just going for different things. Do you see now why my very personal opinion on ACE vs. DIVA is what it is?

[Uncle E]

Nevertheless, all those cables and outlets in early Diva betas looked very confusing IMHO. So I decided to switch to drop downs completely, remove all redundant inlets and keep it clean & tidy. The possibilities have not changed at all though, every routing that was possible in Diva rev 331/360 is still possible in rev 480

Excellent! Thanks, Urs!

[pdxindy]

About interfaces of modulars: Some interface concepts are more natural to me than others. This makes it easier of harder for me to get into a certain synth.

So give me the example of a modular environment you think is easier than Zebra...

Reaktor. I like the clear distinction between the assembling and the playing/using parts.

Wow... your use of the english language stretches my comprehension

If I open up a Zebra preset from another user that has 3 osc and a filter, then decide I want to add a filter after the second osc but before the third, that is done in seconds in Zebra. So you are saying you could perform that sort of change in Reaktor from an existing preset faster and easier than in Zebra?

[pdxindy]

I would not want to have to choose between Diva and Bazille (I like Bazille bit more than ACE). But if I absolutely had to, I suppose it would be Bazille.

Right, and I would choose DIVA in that case. Neither of us is wrong, we're just going for different things. Do you see now why my very personal opinion on ACE vs. DIVA is what it is?

Dude... You called yourself a synth expert and then said you were unable to master ACE. The implication being that ACE is really hard to master. I disagreed with that assessment and would contend that anyone who was really a synth expert would have little trouble mastering ACE.

I said nothing about subjective opinions of who is 'right' in liking what they like. Anyone can like what they like and that is fine. And that is an entirely different topic.

Considering that you think FM is experimental, I am not surprised that ACE is somewhat outside your range of interest.

[Fritze]

Reaktor. I like the clear distinction between the assembling and the playing/using parts.

Wow... your use of the english language stretches my comprehension

janee alta, is kla. Wollma seehn wiejuut dein balienerish is. Und nüscht jejen nen juuten bräinfart, alta!

If I open up a Zebra preset from another user that has 3 osc and a filter, then decide I want to add a filter after the second osc but before the third, that is done in seconds in Zebra. So you are saying you could perform that sort of change in Reaktor from an existing preset faster and easier than in Zebra?

Weisste, dett is janz eenfach: Ich hab den Längsten in meiner Hose, kla?
Das sollte Google eigentlich hinbekommen.

[Fritze]

I would not want to have to choose between Diva and Bazille (I like Bazille bit more than ACE). But if I absolutely had to, I suppose it would be Bazille.

Right, and I would choose DIVA in that case. Neither of us is wrong, we're just going for different things. Do you see now why my very personal opinion on ACE vs. DIVA is what it is?

Dude... You called yourself a synth expert and then said you were unable to master ACE. The implication being that ACE is really hard to master. I disagreed with that assessment and would contend that anyone who was really a synth expert would have little trouble mastering ACE.

I said nothing about subjective opinions of who is 'right' in liking what they like. Anyone can like what they like and that is fine. And that is an entirely different topic.

Considering that you think FM is experimental, I am not surprised that ACE is somewhat outside your range of interest.

Und schon wieder bist Du der Coolste mit der universalen globalen Obercheckung, der einzig wahren Sichtweise der Dinge.

Herzlichen Glückwunsch!

[Uncle E]

Dude... You called yourself a synth expert and then said you were unable to master ACE.

It's my fault, I misspoke before. I never mastered ACE because I disliked the first sounds I got out of it and then gave up on it. I shouldn't have made the comment I made about ACE's interface because I never took the time to learn it properly. For me, DIVA was an instant love affair, as has been the case with most of my favorite synths, and I'm too old and have too little time now to work with anything where that's not the case.

I disagreed with that assessment and would contend that anyone who was really a synth expert would have little trouble mastering ACE.

Right, I get it. If Urs gives ACE the sound of DIVA, I may just buy it again.

I said nothing about subjective opinions of who is 'right' in liking what they like. Anyone can like what they like and that is fine. And that is an entirely different topic.

It's all subjective. Even your opinion of what constitutes a "synth expert" is subjective. To bring it on topic, in my own poorly informed and subjective opinion, ACE's sound doesn't inspire me to learn its interface.

Considering that you think FM is experimental, I am not surprised that ACE is somewhat outside your range of interest.

Did I call FM experimental? Lame, yes, but certainly not experimental.

[pdxindy]

Dude... You called yourself a synth expert and then said you were unable to master ACE.

It's my fault, I misspoke before. I never mastered ACE because I disliked the first sounds I got out of it and then gave up on it. I shouldn't have made the comment I made about ACE's interface because I never took the time to learn it properly. For me, DIVA was an instant love affair, as has been the case with most of my favorite synths, and I'm too old and have too little time now to work with anything where that's not the case.

No reason you should spend any time with a synth that you do not immediately like the sound of. I agree and thanks for clarifying.

Considering that you think FM is experimental, I am not surprised that ACE is somewhat outside your range of interest.

Did I call FM experimental? Lame, yes, but certainly not experimental.

Hey, you said "I totally get someone else might want to move into more experimental territories than DIVA can provide."

Diva does not provide FM, Additive or Wavetables so by your comment, those can be seen as experimental. Again, I think it is completely legitimate that you are mainly/only interested in classic analog sounds, but thousands of musicians have found other forms of synthesis of great interest. We would be sonically poorer if all synths only had the range of Diva.

Btw, I agree with you that when it comes to a range of analog sounds, that Diva is just amazing in its sound and character. Diva sets a new standard IMO. You would have to pry her from my cold dead hands!

[Howard]

Hey, you said "I totally get someone else might want to move into more experimental territories than DIVA can provide."
Diva does not provide FM, Additive or Wavetables so by your comment, those can be seen as experimental.

I don't want to join the fray, but I simply HAVE to call "illogical, Captain!" on that

[pdxindy]

Hey, you said "I totally get someone else might want to move into more experimental territories than DIVA can provide."
Diva does not provide FM, Additive or Wavetables so by your comment, those can be seen as experimental.

I don't want to join the fray, but I simply HAVE to call "illogical, Captain!" on that

Fair enough taken by itself, however, that comment was not in isolation... I had already mentioned FM, Additive and Wavetables as examples of common synthesis sounds that Zebra can do that Diva cannot and while his comment was not a direct response to mine it was in the flow of the conversation on the subject. But anyway, that is in itself an insignificant point except insofar as establishing that Uncle E was only/mainly interested in classic analog sounds and so that shaped his opinion of Zebra as being hard to learn or not sounding as good as Diva.

But hey, now that we have established that I am the captain and you the first officer, that means I get the hot women on the show!

[xh3rv]

But hey, now that we have established that I am the captain and you the first officer, that means I get the hot women on the show!

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[Howard]

... now that we have established that I am the captain and you the first officer, that means I get the hot women on the show!

Rock, paper, scissors, lizard, Spock...

[Uncle E]

Diva does not provide FM, Additive or Wavetables so by your comment, those can be seen as experimental. Again, I think it is completely legitimate that you are mainly/only interested in classic analog sounds, but thousands of musicians have found other forms of synthesis of great interest. We would be sonically poorer if all synths only had the range of Diva.

I totally agree! Some of my first favorite synths were things like the K2000 and K5000S, my tastes only grew myopic when my hair turned gray.

Btw, I agree with you that when it comes to a range of analog sounds, that Diva is just amazing in its sound and character. Diva sets a new standard IMO. You would have to pry her from my cold dead hands!

I'm glad we've finally taken a turn for the positive. I apologize for saying what I said about FM (the only thing lame was my comment ) and I appreciate you for not jumping on me about that.

[alphadelphi]

I am really interested in understand differences but this thread is not so useful due the presence of personal and subjective posts.

People often forget that what sounds pleasantly seems to be better and what we've already heard often sounds more pleasantly.

AFAIK Diva recreates some old school classics almost perfectly but this doesn't means that it sounds better it just sounds good.

Zebra is a great great synth that i've used for a couple of years but i've sold it after i tried ACE that, compared to Zebra, sounds so fat and snappy to me (BTW i don't know why and i am really curious: oscillators? filters? envelopes?).

So i've sold my beloved Zebra to buy ACE but now i am thinking to buy Diva to enjoy the intro price but i know that i want all of them: Zebra for pads, ACE for basses and Diva for re-creations of the sounds already presents in my memory...