Taking the Diva's Measurements

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I'm posting the results of some calibration measurements I've done on DIVA.  Methodology is explained after the results.  Any value of "--" means I couldn't get a good reading.  Perhaps some of you will find this data of value.

Sorry about the poor alignment of the results.  I'm using the code formatting option with no tabs, but the columns refuse to line up.  Possibly cutting and pasting into an editor will make the results more readable.

Filter cutoff for the LPFs. Units are KHz.  Values of settings below 60 or so have increasingly questionable accuracy.

	Ladder	Cascade	Mlt-Md	BITE
150	19.8	--	20.0	19.8
145	17.7	19.0	17.5	17.7
140	13.3	13.3	13.2	13.2
135	9.89	9.89	9.89	9.97
130	7.43	7.43	7.51	7.43
125	5.59	5.59	5.59	5.59
120	4.20	4.20	4.20	4.20
115	3.15	3.12	3.15	3.15
110	2.35	2.37	2.37	2.37
105	1.78	1.76	1.76	1.76
100	1.33	1.33	1.33	1.31
 95	.986	.986	.986	.986
 90	.741	.741	.741	.733
 85	.551	.551	.551	.568
 80	.418	.414	.410	.410
 75	.311	.311	.311	.305
 70	.234	.236	.231	.231
 65	.176	.178	.176	.174
 60	.133	.135	.135	.133
 55	.099	.101	.098	.098
 50	.078	.077	.078	.075
 45	.060	.060	.059	.058
 40	.046	.047	.048	.045
 35	.038	.038	.039	.036
 30	.033	.033	.036	.032
 
Amplitude Envelope Attack. Units are seconds.

	Analog	Digital	ADS
  0	--	--	--
  5	--	--	--
 10	.008	.01	--
 15	.02	.02	.006
 20	.04	.03	.01
 25	.09	.04	.02
 30	.20	.07	.04
 35	.43	.12	.07
 40	.89	.19	.13
 45	1.6	.30	.24
 50	2.5	.48	.42
 55	3.2	.78	.59
 60	3.7	1.2	1.1
 65	4.0	2.0	1.7
 70	4.1	3.1	2.2
 75	4.1	4.8	2.8
 80	4.1	7.2	3.1
 85	4.1	11	3.4
 90	4.1	15	3.6
 95	4.1	21	3.7
100	4.1	28	3.7

Amplitude Decay. Units are seconds.  For the ADS decay, a sustain level is present and the actual delay routinely starts after holding at the max. level for a short period.  For all three, I measured the decay from a max. sustain setting, recording the time when the signal completely disappeared.  Practically speaking, the signal would be perceived to be over a little bit soon than the values shown below.

	Analog	Digital	ADS
  0	--	--	--
  5	--	--	.02
 10	.02	--	.04
 15	.03	.01	.08
 20	.06	.02	.16
 25	.11	.05	.34
 30	.21	.09	.71
 35	.41	.20	1.4
 40	.69	.43	2.9
 45	1.5	.94	5.6
 50	2.7	1.9	10
 55	4.7	3.9	17
 60	7.5	7.2	26
 65	11	12	34
 70	14	17	39
 75	16	21	43
 80	18	23	45
 85	19	24	46
 90	19	25	47
 95	19	25	47
100	19	25	47
	
	
Amplitude Envelope Release.  Units are seconds.  Unlike decay, which seemed not to vary too much when using sustain values of zero and 50, release times seem to be a function of sustain level.  Values below show release times from sustain settings of 100 and of 50.

	---Analog--	--Digital--
	100	50	100	50
  0	--	--	--	--
  5	.007	--	--	--
 10	.01	.01	--	--
 15	.03	.03	.008	.008
 20	.05	.05	.02	.02
 25	.11	.09	.04	.03
 30	.20	.14	.09	.07
 35	.41	.35	.20	.15
 40	.79	.66	.44	.33
 45	1.5	1.2	.94	.71
 50	2.8	2.3	2.0	1.5
 55	4.8	4.0	4.0	3.0
 60	7.6	6.3	7.3	5.5
 65	11	9.0	12	9.0
 70	14	12	17	13
 75	16	13	23	16
 80	18	15	24	18
 85	18	15	25	19
 90	19	16	25	19
 95	19	16	26	19
100	19	16	26	19

Methodology:

For the cutoff readings, the process was simple.  I put an instance of Voxengo Span after the synth in Sonar.  I set the resonance to maximum.  Playing a cluster of notes low in the keyboard with an oscillator set to use a saw wave.  The spike at the cutoff frequency was easy to spot until getting to the lower values below about 60 on the cutoff control.

The amplitude envelope readings were also done with Sonar.  In this case I had a MIDI track with a single note at middle C.  For attack and decay, this note lasted well beyond the longest time.  I set the subject control froze the track.  Looking at the resultant wave form with a time-line setting of time (as opposed to M.B.T) and using the Aim Assist tool, getting the readings was tedious but straightforward.
Last edited by dmbaer on Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Great table of numbers but does it make Diva sound better or worse ?

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leggie wrote:Great table of numbers but does it make Diva sound better or worse ?
Yes, it does...

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leggie wrote:Great table of numbers but does it make Diva sound better or worse ?
It's helps to give DIVA that "numerical" sound :wink:

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digitalboytn wrote:
leggie wrote:Great table of numbers but does it make Diva sound better or worse ?
It's helps to give DIVA that "numerical" sound :wink:
that would be that 'digital' sound :lol:

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Thanks dmbaer! 8)

(yay, Numerology! ;) )

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Yes, nice work indeed.

Some weeks ago i published a calibration table for Diva and the Minimoog (based on the Arturia Minimoog demo):
https://rapidshare.com/files/2435554895 ... lues_1.zip

The problem is that the Millisecond values at the knobs of the Minimoog do mostly not reflect the real times. This is why reprogramming Minimoog patch sheets with the values in the table of the OP could lead to wrong results maybe.
For my measurements i had Diva and Arturia Minimoog open in Ableton Live 8 and directly recorded samples into Steinberg Wavelab Elements 7 which was open at the same time. At lower times i even counted the number of saws in both examples, at longer times i just compared the times in both samples. I also tried to get both identical by ear when i was not sure.


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leggie wrote:Great table of numbers but does it make Diva sound better or worse ?
I'd say it makes DIVA sound better more quickly. In other words, my intent was to make it fast to create DIVA presets based on those from other synths in a timely fashion. The ear obviously must be the final arbitrer when creating a sound. Beginning with a reasonable starting point makes that an easier proposition and that's the reason I went to the trouble to get these measurements. They may not be of much value to old hands at sound design but they will help me and I hope others like me who are only at a journeyman level of expertise.

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I read Howard's draft of the DIVA manual for the first time last night and learned that the envelopes may work differently for filter cutoff than they do for amplitude. Damn! Turns out I'm only 2/3 done with this project, and filter envelopes are a rather harder to get measurements on than amplitude. Well ... hopefully I'll get to this eventually and complete the project.

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