Oh, you had a K5000? I sooo wanted one back then.Uncle E wrote:I totally agree! Some of my first favorite synths were things like the K2000 and K5000S, my tastes only grew myopic when my hair turned gray.
Didn't have the money though. Today additive synthesis is so much cheaper and easier to work with on a computer screen.
Sorry about that.alphadelphi wrote:I am really interested in understand differences but this thread is not so useful due the presence of personal and subjective posts.
In my defense, I generally try to give personal accounts simply because everything else can be googled. However, I also see that I sometimes go too far, so sorry for that.
You cannot go wrong with any of them... ACE does sound snappier than Zebra, but for me, I only want some percentage of sounds to be that way. Lot of other sounds I want different ways. Zebra can do so much ACE cannot. I'm very glad to have them all... (na na na na naalphadelphi wrote:
Zebra is a great great synth that i've used for a couple of years but i've sold it after i tried ACE that, compared to Zebra, sounds so fat and snappy to me (BTW i don't know why and i am really curious: oscillators? filters? envelopes?).
So i've sold my beloved Zebra to buy ACE but now i am thinking to buy Diva to enjoy the intro price but i know that i want all of them: Zebra for pads, ACE for basses and Diva for re-creations of the sounds already presents in my memory...
)This!pdxindy wrote:You cannot go wrong with any of them... ACE does sound snappier than Zebra, but for me, I only want some percentage of sounds to be that way. Lot of other sounds I want different ways. Zebra can do so much ACE cannot. I'm very glad to have them all... (na na na na na
Okay, this one is experimental... Here is an audio example from Zebra. Just Zebra osc's and filter's... no effects at all, internal or external. Just 2 notes and some realtime modulation... Diva couldn't begin to do something like this (it's okay if you hate itUncle E wrote:Yeah, I wrote "accurate analog modeling" as opposed to "sounds better" for that very reason. For me personally, DIVA actually does sound much better than those two (in their present forms) but I totally get someone else might want to move into more experimental territories than DIVA can provide.Bronto Scorpio wrote:I somehow get the feeling that people think that ACE and Zebra suddenly sound bad since Diva is released.
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Awesome again!pdxindy wrote:Okay, this one is experimental... Here is an audio example from Zebra. Just Zebra osc's and filter's... no effects at all, internal or external. Just 2 notes and some realtime modulation... Diva couldn't begin to do something like this (it's okay if you hate itUncle E wrote:Yeah, I wrote "accurate analog modeling" as opposed to "sounds better" for that very reason. For me personally, DIVA actually does sound much better than those two (in their present forms) but I totally get someone else might want to move into more experimental territories than DIVA can provide.Bronto Scorpio wrote:I somehow get the feeling that people think that ACE and Zebra suddenly sound bad since Diva is released.
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Zebra1.mp3
The wimpy attack is one of few things I don't like about ACE. It's decay may be snappy, but the attack sure isn't.
Well imo, it's not that envelopes are or aren't snappy.Gonga wrote:Huh. You mean the decay is snappy?
imo, ACE has a wimpy attack envelope, as compared to Diva, or especially Zebra, which has the snappiest attack of any VA.
That is a good question... I think it is not so much the attack shape of the envelop but maybe the audio rate modulation in ACE that makes sonic transitions have a kind of 'snap' or vitality. I find it all elusive stuff, and the terminology we use has too much noise to signal ratio. What I mean is, the size of the difference in how we personally define and understand various terms such as snappy is greater than the sonic differences we are talking about.Gonga wrote:Huh. You mean the decay is snappy?
imo, ACE has a wimpy attack envelope, as compared to Diva, or especially Zebra, which has the snappiest attack of any VA.
Those are both really cool patches!
It is my guess that the internal sample rate plays a significant part in how a sound is perceived in different synths. In Zebra, most everything is control rate. In ACE most everything is audio rate. IIRC the env's in ACE are control rate. How does that rate compare with Zebra?mcnoone wrote:Well imo, it's not that envelopes are or aren't snappy.Gonga wrote:Huh. You mean the decay is snappy?
imo, ACE has a wimpy attack envelope, as compared to Diva, or especially Zebra, which has the snappiest attack of any VA.
There are sound programming techniques that can make envelopes react and sound different (soft or hard, snappy or wimpy) on the attack-decay.
I feel that's more up to the sound designer than the synth.
If I listen to those 3 synths init patch, I can't tell which sounds snappier or whatever. In Zebra, you can do much more to the attack, and that's where it helps most. Individual velocity settings to each envelope parameter is great to have in helping things to sound snappier. ACE has env mods, but less.
) is a quality setting for Zebra similar to ACE or Diva. I think the sonic difference of a preset in Zebra between 44.1khz and 96khz is more significant than it is in ACE. It is easy to have presets sound dramatically different in Zebra with a higher sample rate. Not as much with ACE. Perhaps because it is already audio rate or higher for most operations. You can do the slop stuff with modmappersmcnoone wrote: I don't really care to compare envelopes, but for me...I just wish Zebra had a (1)Diva(minimoog) filter, and those circuit/filter slop settings.
That would be enough for me.
I'd love to use an mseg modulated on that filter...with that combo, and some good env settings, there would be snapping turtles coming out of it.
True this, and a testament that after years of use, there's still things not yet tried.pdxindy wrote:You can do the slop stuff with modmappers
there's nothing to hate about your demo. (maybe it's too short, but...) diva may not be able to recreate your demo (and i'm not too sure that's true), but it definitely has experimental potential. i was just playing with it and some of the 'experimental' sounds seemed to rival those of aalto (with higher sound quality, as well).pdxindy wrote:Okay, this one is experimental... Here is an audio example from Zebra. Just Zebra osc's and filter's... no effects at all, internal or external. Just 2 notes and some realtime modulation... Diva couldn't begin to do something like this (it's okay if you hate itUncle E wrote:Yeah, I wrote "accurate analog modeling" as opposed to "sounds better" for that very reason. For me personally, DIVA actually does sound much better than those two (in their present forms) but I totally get someone else might want to move into more experimental territories than DIVA can provide.Bronto Scorpio wrote:I somehow get the feeling that people think that ACE and Zebra suddenly sound bad since Diva is released.
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Zebra1.mp3
I completely agree... Diva has great experimental potential... And its complex modulation capabilities should not be under estimated. I absolutely love it for moody, noisy, somewhat atonal sounds. Here is one example I did...aaastronomer wrote:there's nothing to hate about your demo. (maybe it's too short, but...) diva may not be able to recreate your demo (and i'm not too sure that's true), but it definitely has experimental potential. i was just playing with it and some of the 'experimental' sounds seemed to rival those of aalto (with higher sound quality, as well).pdxindy wrote:Okay, this one is experimental... Here is an audio example from Zebra. Just Zebra osc's and filter's... no effects at all, internal or external. Just 2 notes and some realtime modulation... Diva couldn't begin to do something like this (it's okay if you hate itUncle E wrote:Yeah, I wrote "accurate analog modeling" as opposed to "sounds better" for that very reason. For me personally, DIVA actually does sound much better than those two (in their present forms) but I totally get someone else might want to move into more experimental territories than DIVA can provide.Bronto Scorpio wrote:I somehow get the feeling that people think that ACE and Zebra suddenly sound bad since Diva is released.
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Zebra1.mp3
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