Diva Vs. Real Analog

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pdxindy wrote:
mcnoone wrote:It really doesn't matter what analog purists say.
The important thing is that Diva is a big step in the right direction.
If there is a gap between analogue and Diva, I don't hear it, but then I don't have access to real analogue synths outside of samples and songs.
It does sound better than any samples I have, and it does do a good luckyman.
That's enough for me, and I believe most people, who won't be buying a real minimoog,ms20,jupiter this year.
Wouldn't matter how rich I was, I would not buy those synths. Softsynths are superior.

Same with digital over film for photography. Digital is just better. There are still some areas where film looks nicer, but there are areas where digital walks all over film. Color accuracy in my point and shoot under a variety of conditions is far superior than film ever was with the best possible equipment (I worked as a pro photographer for years). The film purists always focus on the fewer and fewer areas where film has an advantage and ignore that areas where digital is way better. Same with analog synth purists who get obsessed with elevating the sonic characteristics where analog still has an advantage. You know the argument is over when an analog purist is talking about some obscure quality they get in a particular situation with their Minimoog that Diva doesn't do.

In Diva I can set voice stacking to 3 and still have polyphony. I could never begin to do that with a Minimoog. The features, convenience and flexibility of the modern softsynth far surpasses the minor sonic advantages of analog synths over the latest offerings like Synthix and Diva. And the softsynths have their sonic advantages too, not just convenience and flexibility. The argument is over just some people haven't realized it yet :hihi:
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No, the argument it is not over and you ruin your point by making such an immature comment..."nonpartisans" have made the most honest statements in this endless debate. It depends on the situation, cost, what your track needs etc.

Real analog sounds absolutely terrific and is incredibly fun to use.
There are also many softsynths that also fit this description.

If you want a Moog sound in your track it is usually best to use a real Moog synth. If you want the DSI, Nord, Access, etc. sound it would probably be best to use the real synths. Obscure or not if I hear it and am composing and making music that is ultimately what will affect the quality of the music itself. It is true that all listeners will not be able to hear the difference but I am sure we all (as we can all tell from the terrific support from Diva fans) are inspired by the tools that we use to create with!

If you want digital, VA sounds etc. you have a huge range of choices in software and there are many affordable and outstanding ones to choose from. Everyone really needs to relax and try to be a bit more honest and objective!!

8) :)
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Here's the irony you guys. This IS the matrix, so it's all digital anyways :shrug:

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hibidy wrote:Here's the irony you guys. This IS the matrix, so it's all digital anyways :shrug:
:D 8)

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hibidy wrote:Here's the irony you guys. This IS the matrix, so it's all digital anyways :shrug:
There is no analog? :-o
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musikmachine wrote:
hibidy wrote:Here's the irony you guys. This IS the matrix, so it's all digital anyways :shrug:
There is no analog? :-o
No.

However, you CAN HAZ digital! :D

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dsynth27 wrote: "nonpartisans" have made the most honest statements in this endless debate. It depends on the situation, cost, what your track needs etc.
Real analog sounds absolutely terrific and is incredibly fun to use.
There are also many softsynths that also fit this description.
If you want a Moog sound in your track it is usually best to use a real Moog synth. If you want the DSI, Nord, Access, etc. sound it would probably be best to use the real synths. Obscure or not if I hear it and am composing and making music that is ultimately what will affect the quality of the music itself. It is true that all listeners will not be able to hear the difference but I am sure we all (as we can all tell from the terrific support from Diva fans) are inspired by the tools that we use to create with!
Totally agree. It also depends on ones personal preferences of sounds.
I "prefer" digital sounds myself, and it just comes to an each there own kinda thing.
It also really comes down to, for me anyway, what I can afford, and use, as you stated.
As someone who is strictly into the sound design aspect of synths, digital synths have a lot more variety in the tonal landscape for it, and "can be" more difficult to program.
As Urs said before that Diva was a good starter synth for programming. As it's much easier to dial in a sound, or learn-master the synth quickly.
More quickly than Zebra for instance.

btw...I don't think pdxindy was being all too serious in his post there.
I'm pretty sure he prefers digital synths though.

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pdxindy wrote:
mcnoone wrote:It really doesn't matter what analog purists say.
The important thing is that Diva is a big step in the right direction.
If there is a gap between analogue and Diva, I don't hear it, but then I don't have access to real analogue synths outside of samples and songs.
It does sound better than any samples I have, and it does do a good luckyman.
That's enough for me, and I believe most people, who won't be buying a real minimoog,ms20,jupiter this year.
Wouldn't matter how rich I was, I would not buy those synths. Softsynths are superior.

Same with digital over film for photography. Digital is just better. There are still some areas where film looks nicer, but there are areas where digital walks all over film. Color accuracy in my point and shoot under a variety of conditions is far superior than film ever was with the best possible equipment (I worked as a pro photographer for years). The film purists always focus on the fewer and fewer areas where film has an advantage and ignore that areas where digital is way better. Same with analog synth purists who get obsessed with elevating the sonic characteristics where analog still has an advantage. You know the argument is over when an analog purist is talking about some obscure quality they get in a particular situation with their Minimoog that Diva doesn't do.

In Diva I can set voice stacking to 3 and still have polyphony. I could never begin to do that with a Minimoog. The features, convenience and flexibility of the modern softsynth far surpasses the minor sonic advantages of analog synths over the latest offerings like Synthix and Diva. And the softsynths have their sonic advantages too, not just convenience and flexibility. The argument is over just some people haven't realized it yet :hihi:
It's funny, you reminded me of something.

When photoshop/mac first started to find it's way into "graphic arts" the old school whined and moaned like you wouldn't believe. "oh, it's not sharp enough" "oh, it just doesn't look right" yada........bore.......yada. I mean at first they were right. But it didn't take long to get up to speed. You know my middle name IS Nostradamus :P

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I myself was a pretty die-hard analog dude from 1975 right up to about 2010. I tried tons of VAs and was never fully able to create the sounds I used to create. It was that simple. Then I tried the ACE demo. ACE has the sweetest high end I had ever heard. Then the only thing ACE was lacking was an attack, and I've since found a few synths that can produce a decent blast.

So I'm totally converted to the VA domain for the analog sound. That's not a minor thing, that's an epiphany. I believe right about now you're going to start seeing a LOT more die hards come over to the dark side. I really think Diva particularly is a watershed moment. And I hope it brings a lot of success to the U-He team and that they keep pushing that envelope.
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I still think that one does not need to go one or the other..it can be both.

Try it..you might like it!! :D
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trimph1 wrote:I still think that one does not need to go one or the other..it can be both.
Try it..you might like it!! :D
I would, but I'd need another job.

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trimph1 wrote:I still think that one does not need to go one or the other..it can be both.

Try it..you might like it!! :D
feh! I don't DO analog :uhuhuh:

Seriously, I've got a couple of controllers and a soundcard and that is all :D

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