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Big love to the thread creator, that's having a huge heart. My respects.

I'm poor too, and although i always wanted a NFR of Zebra and a good "Pro" compressor i came here for another thing, to say that i would like to help.

Due i don't have money (i'm desemployed since months and no luck yet) and i can't donate money, i would like to help making a post when that sub-thread have been created finally, with tons of links to free stuff, to the best of the best freebies, to the best free samples, to the best websites with helpful information and freebies (bpb, rekkerd, etc), so people could recommend that topic to people who are into warez.

For example, you have a friend who got into warez, so you recommend this sub-thread to him. For example "Hey, stop using that, you are doing it wrong, that's not so good for developers which made a great effort and wasted their time for you download their stuff for free, look, go to this link, you will find amazing stuff there, tutorials, free synths, free effects, free samples, free tutorials, donations, contests, categorized, the best of the best."

These people won't say not. I think that, at least, they will take a look.
I think that if you just say to your friend, "Surf over internet, you will find free stuff" it's not enough, you must guide and to be precise.

What i want to say is, this will be like a GUIDE. Let's call it "The thread for guide you musically and honestly from beginning.", to start honestly with music, to learn things, tutorials, to download free stuff, the contest which have been already proposed, histories of poor people and how they grew up musically, donations from devs, free sharing presets, banks, skins, demotracks made by people for pushing up the devs sales, feedback, demotracks, samples, etc.
This is like a compressed sub-thread community of people who want to help others, devs, beginners, and ex-warez guys.
And that would be a huge LOVE project. Hard to do? Yes, Worth it? Aswell.
It would be like a compressed KVR thread about the best of best, in KVR forums.

Yes, i know that the whole KVR forum is in fact this, but a bit messy, so i would just put all this ordered and compressed, for people, for poors, and in a way, it's a good thing for devs too.

What would be in that sub-thread?

-The contest idea is a good one.
-Free sharing presets, demotracks, skins, for and from devs is another good idea.
-Talking about your history, another good one.
-Donations from devs, and whoever, another big one.
-The freebie list.

This is my idea. Once that sub-thread is created, i will start making the whole list. I'm just waiting for that sub-thread, i hope Ben will say yes.
People are welcome to help me with that list of course (it would be higly appreciated). We could have a chat party to share ideas in private, before posting links, etc.

I have passed a couple of years testing freebies, so i'm very aware of them, which one are nice to start with, which are best, which are low on CPU, which have a nice and inspiring gui, etc.
I have tried tons of free samples too.

Man, that's a huge project and marvelous thing, and people should go into this sub-thread, despite if they are or not into warez.
I think it would be a nice thread to start with music, for feedback, for sharing, for helping to others.

Beginners worth it.
Musicians worth it.
Developers worth it.
Art worth it.

My two cents.

Big love to everyone. :hug:
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Big two cents Irion, thanks! :) Love back. d= ;)

But we already had a slew of threads about great freeware stuff. I can tell you that everything is possible to make with it, too. There are a few plugins out there that won't cost you a dime, and are a great value to have and use. There always are. I could go as far as to tell you that I can do everything with freeware this days, actually. With years, freeware plugins became incredibly good. Just for example, take Sonimus EQ and Molot compressor. Honestly, these two are so awesome that it's hard to believe they're free. One doesn't have to use tons of plugins to make something really good. The problem always comes to knowledge IMHO. Plugins in itself don't sound so much different, really.

Having said that, It would make me happy to help the small developers with this all. Small developers that make great plugins, like DMG Audio and Cytomic, for example. No offence, other developers, please, these just came off the top of my head, and my top of the head is very small. :lol:

Cheers!
It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. - Jiddu Krishnamurti

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ttoz wrote:Kriminal, you're out of this one or i'll smack you. :hihi:


It seems the only way we are going to be able to pull this off is with a dedicated sub forum, and each project, or initiative so to speak has a topic.

I think it's the only way.

Who agrees with that at least?
Some of this is whole concept is accomplished by kvr One Synth Challenge.
Developers and others give prizes, I doubt any Ferrari drivers have
submitted songs. Offering more prizes, to a higher number of entrants,
could expand participation, which is already growing with vgers leadership,
and help from partners.
Cheers

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Meffy wrote:
xoxos wrote:if you start granting wishes, you're going to have to wear hammer pants.

how about instead, do some reviews on some freeware and work to publicise its merits and useability instead of singing the praises of expensive commercialware?
The two aren't mutually exclusive. By all means promote your software and other freeware makers' stuff.

But that's a separate matter, not the topic of this thread. Why not start a thread of your own on raising awareness of the need for freeware reviews and publicity?
ttoz started off by proclaiming only commercial products were worthy of inclusion
in this proposed charity project, while still asking for help and ideas. Since freeware creation, usage, and quality, has a strong charitable element, it can hardly be off-topic in a thread proposing charity.

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Meffy wrote:
BERFAB wrote:we are not REALLY talking about people living in a corrugated shack with a dirt floor and no electricity on the Bayou.
Blast! There goes my chance at a free Nuendo license. *kicks pet alligator out of frustration*
:hihi: Might want to up the ration on little Al's
fish and chicken, so your foot doesn't look like desert :wink:

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I'm all in favor of promoting freeware. Giving voice to so many independent developers is one of the biggest strengths of a place like KVR. But it's hard to see how a charity project could raise funds for / donations of free software, yes?

Organizing an effort (non-charity, just "for the public good") to promote free software would be great but it isn't at all what Theo is proposing. Perfectly good thing to do, though.

And of course I don't really want Nuendo. :-} With Sonar and Reason and a heap of excellent plug-ins, I'm set for just about any project that comes along.

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pdxindy wrote:There is enough quality free stuff to let people make music... it is not like hunger or lack of healthcare...
While I wholeheartedly agree with that, I've always thought that some developers, ones that charge a premium for their software, would be better off having a three tier pricing system. One for students, one for amateurs and a special professional license. Maybe the amateur software would be a "lite" version like the player version of Poly-ana.

On the other hand, you sure don't need Waves software to make good music... or even good sounding music. There's tons of good freeware out there and really aggressively priced "no-brainer" deals all the time. What... did I pay $99 or something for that Fabfilter deal? In 2012 money that's chump change. Hell, I don't think you could have bought a Casio for that back in the day, and I'm not talking the CZ line. So... yeah. Basically between magware, freeware and no-brainer deals... if you afforded the computer to run them, you should not be complaining.
Zerocrossing Media

4th Law of Robotics: When turning evil, display a red indicator light. ~[ ●_● ]~

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Meffy wrote:I'm all in favor of promoting freeware. Giving voice to so many independent developers is one of the biggest strengths of a place like KVR. But it's hard to see how a charity project could raise funds for / donations of free software, yes?

Organizing an effort (non-charity, just "for the public good") to promote free software would be great but it isn't at all what Theo is proposing. Perfectly good thing to do, though.

And of course I don't really want Nuendo. :-} With Sonar and Reason and a heap of excellent plug-ins, I'm set for just about any project that comes along.
You could always vote democrat and hope they raise taxes enough to bring back arts classes in public schools. ;) I know, I know, save it for HPC... :hihi:
Zerocrossing Media

4th Law of Robotics: When turning evil, display a red indicator light. ~[ ●_● ]~

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:-}

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aciddose wrote:
spend some time in a country like thailand or guatemala and you'll figure that out eventually :)

hint:
The poster states for child prostitution and human trafficking?
Proof that nationalizing the theft of small things leads to stealing the
most precious things, in cultures happy to look the other way.

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Meffy wrote:I'm all in favor of promoting freeware. Giving voice to so many independent developers is one of the biggest strengths of a place like KVR. But it's hard to see how a charity project could raise funds for / donations of free software, yes?

Organizing an effort (non-charity, just "for the public good") to promote free software would be great but it isn't at all what Theo is proposing. Perfectly good thing to do, though.

And of course I don't really want Nuendo. :-} With Sonar and Reason and a heap of excellent plug-ins, I'm set for just about any project that comes along.
In a chicken Vs egg world, using free software may enable a poor person to obtain a
computer, soundcard, midi xxx, or physical instrument. Software of any sort being redundant without at least some basic hardware.

This is still a proposal seeking input, not a finalized project.

The term 'charity' used in context of a condition of the heart and mind, not 501c3 or other tax/organizational status.

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ttoz wrote:Ok I am BEGGING you i am down on my HAND AND KNEES begging for you guys who are against this idea to start a separate topic in HPC. *Please* I do not want this moved, or maybe I can talk to Ben about splitting the topic or Meffy. Actually i'll do that now.
I said as much previously...sigh.

@Irion - good to see you here. A great example of someone who's always willing to help others. Kudos.

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