Does Zebra allow user Wavetables?

[trance_lucent]

Wow! I'll be able to import these Virus waveforms without detail loses at last!

There is a set of Virus waveforms on the U-he patch-lib.
Forget how many though.
Check it out...some classic analogue ones too.

I've seen it (and also tried to make my own with Blueberry thing and Wav2Zebra). Spectral waveforms cannot be imported with full detalization to current version of Zebra. 128 points enough for the most waveforms, but there are some waveforms with very dense spikey texture and they translated wrong into Zebra.
As for analog waveforms, I have designed its emulation with impulse waveforms + filters (BLIT integration) in Zebra.

[Sendy]

Urs, any chance to get more of phase-modulating FX? I.e. something like Symmetry, but with several modulated points contrapting/stretching waveform between? It would add motion to waveform without big spectrum brightness changes.

In my humble opinion, Zebra's Symmetry effect could use some a more powerful big sister... useful though it is in it's current incarnation.

Ideally for my uses, symmetry modulation is a form of phase distortion, where you're taking the midpoint of a wave and pulling it towards the beginning or end of the wavecycle. This gives PWM on a square, slew rate modulation (aka morhing into a saw or ramp) on a triangle wave, and swirly effects on more complex waves with multiple discontinuities. Bonus points if you can pin the midpoint onto the end of the wavecycle without (much) aliasing occurring

As it stands Zebra's symmetry effect seems to bend the wave and add silence (well, zeroness) to help squeeze it, but it doesn't go very far towards completely *squishing* the wave (it sort of pats it on the back I guess). It's actually a sweet spot range for timbral variety effects, but for crazy PWM/morphing sounds, I found it a bit lacking.

Of course, there are hundreds of other ways to do these kinds of effects in Zebra, so, yeah... (my favourite: try morphing geomorph waveforms around and adding a tiny amount of Wrap! Instant phase spaghetti!)

I'm fairly sure we'll see more of this sort of stuff when the Osc FX are updated... I tend to like to push waveform modulation effects in the same way that most people push filtering, perhaps something to do with my chiptune roots?

[TwoToneshuzz]

TwoTonesHuzz, you seem to have put together a rather complex setup. Sorry for the O/T, but i'm just curious to hear what it all sounds like. What kind of music are you making with all that voodoo?

I revisited my WaveTable synth and made a track. Now I know why I don't use it that much. CPU can't handle it!

Anyways I could play 2 voices at a time and added a little Filter Scape VA sing song theme in the background, Chromaphone percussion run through UHBIK G, and soft pad from the blofeld.



http://www.box.com/s/j0hgk3tc3qg0os8magmm

Regards

Wade

[EvilDragon]

What kind of CPU are you using man? Also, to which value do you have wavetable Resolution set at? The higher the value, the more CPU it uses.

[TwoToneshuzz]

What kind of CPU are you using man? Also, to which value do you have wavetable Resolution set at? The higher the value, the more CPU it uses.

I don't have a resolution control implemented all waves are full resolution. I use 44.1khz 16 bit.

This is done using my own homemade wavetable synth in Numerology pre 3, So as I've presently set it up each "voice" uses 8 sampler instances. They are run through at a user variable rate, the fasted speeds run up to anound 1/16 - 1/64. One gate sequencer triggers these samplers, I can variate the length and timing of each step in the sequence very easily. This is in practice only achievable if I trigger all eight samples simultaneiously.The outputs from these eight samplers are routed out individually into an audio switch. Here I use a technique similiar to "Round Robin". Which is emplimented through the use of an addition Gate sequencer the "counter" in CV step modus. This setup advances the "Summing"audio switch at each new event where for example a series of gates that are tied over only advance the wavetable once. I'm trying to figure out a way to get the wavetables to play consecutively but as a DIY project this is the stage I've reached. With a faster CPU this wouldn't be worth the bother of setting up though.

In the posted example I use 4 wavetable synths setup these"voices" are played back two at a time. With the six posiible configurations 1+2 3+4 1+4 2+3 1+3 2+4 So it appears much more varied than you would expect from two single wavetable synths.

My Cpu is Mid 2007 iMac 2.4 Ghz 4 Gb ram. I'm upgrading in a few months so these CPU limitations will mostly evaporate then.

I use Filterscape Q6 and Filterscape and Numerologies built in Lfo's and Envelopes, and XY controller. There are also individual pan and volume filter cutoff per wavetable step with this setup. All this to allow me to further shape the sound. But these tools are not used in the posted example. except for a sublte Filterscape patch. A little reverb.

Very flexible fun, and suprisingly interesting results..


I've only just begun to scratch the surface on the uses for the setup. It's alwasy very interesting to delve into DIY land, if only that it helps the Yewser appreciate the work that goes into developing Software and Hardware for Audio applications.


Regards


Wade

[pdxindy]

Here is an audio example of one of my Zebra presets using 1 osc and modulating the wavetable with a step LFO. This is one held note.

http://draigathar.org/sounds/Zebra5.mp3

Here is another preset modulating through a 1 osc wavetable with a triangle LFO

http://draigathar.org/sounds/Zebra4.mp3

[pdxindy]

Another version of the first one above. This time 2 notes held. 1 osc with a step LFO on the wavetable and now also a different step LFO on the OscFX for variation per measure...

http://draigathar.org/sounds/Zebra6.mp3

[mcnoone]

Another version of the first one above. This time 2 notes held. 1 osc with a step LFO on the wavetable and now also a different step LFO on the OscFX for variation per measure...
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Zebra6.mp3

All your posted mp3 are really great sounds.
Let us know when you get a set up for sale, or free.
I'd be first in line.

[TwoToneshuzz]

Here is an audio example of one of my Zebra presets using 1 osc and modulating the wavetable with a step LFO. This is one held note.

http://draigathar.org/sounds/Zebra5.mp3

Here is another preset modulating through a 1 osc wavetable with a triangle LFO

http://draigathar.org/sounds/Zebra4.mp3

Nice work pdxindy, I am an old Wavestation owner so the examples here make me smile. I'm interested in these raw waves as they cut through almost anymix, and have a really unique purity about them that I find attractive compared to ACE or Diva which are so lush and rich polished and 3 dimensional so these Raw Wave forms are sparkley biting and not to be argued with. This contrasted with say the AAS physical modelling stuff I have is turning out to be a very useful variation of sound sources, without of them seeming too over the top, time machiney starymachiney bubblegummer poppery cutesy. Add the UHBIK effects Filtersape. And I guess I'm ready to move to the desert island..A warm desert island.

Zebra and wavetables going to be a sweet setup.


Regards

Wade

[sagetone]

Hello,

I know there are already quite a few waveforms in the U-he patch lib. But I am curious about Galbanum's Architecture Waveforms 2010. It was mentioned earlier in this thread. For those of you that have it, is it worth getting? And if so, is the Wav32 sufficient (as opposed to the Wav64)?

Thank you,

Todd

[pdxindy]

Another version of the first one above. This time 2 notes held. 1 osc with a step LFO on the wavetable and now also a different step LFO on the OscFX for variation per measure...
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Zebra6.mp3

All your posted mp3 are really great sounds.
Let us know when you get a set up for sale, or free.
I'd be first in line.

Thanks and glad you appreciate the sounds...

I have not thought about it much, but maybe I'll put together a set...

[TwoToneshuzz]

Hello,

I know there are already quite a few waveforms in the U-he patch lib. But I am curious about Galbanum's Architecture Waveforms 2010. It was mentioned earlier in this thread. For those of you that have it, is it worth getting? And if so, is the Wav32 sufficient (as opposed to the Wav64)?

Thank you,

Todd

I have the Wav32 this is all I need, if you need to upgrade later the price isn't to bad.

I got the Architecture because I was making a wavesequencer/table player in my host. I had been spending a fair amount of time getting my DIY instrument to work, so I wanted a waveform set that had some documentation. There are lots of free waveform sets out there, just enormous unlisted bins of files. No mames just numbers and nothing else. Useless in my opinion. The Architecture set has some useful documentation. The background info gives some ideas on how the waveforms can be used and how they are generated. This documentation is like a general info tutorial about wave oscillater,wavetable, wave modulation based synthesis so for me that is the value of the library. Even more so as the documentation is paired with highquality useable waves.

I don't know what your plan is on getting these waveforms so it's pretty hard for me to advise you about their usefulness for you.

For me I felt the outlay was reasonable for getting a insight into this world. I sense that the Architecture library is a labour of love by an advanced sythisist for his own personal use. It is doubtful if it has been any great moneymaker. I sense this because much of the material is not dumbed down at all. To get to grips with what you can do with it, you will need to spend some serious time. If you attack a project using these waves for specific goals that needs to be finished within a limited timeframe you might be frustrated. On the other hand if you are willing to let it take the time necessary to get into it. I'd venture that you will be rewarded.

I've experienced some truly amazing tones come out of these raw waves. To further develop the sounds you need to have some kind of a modulation matrix, Lfos envelopes, filters with feedback FM, envelope generators. That's why I started this thread I was looking for a synth framework to help in the further development of the raw sounds.

I can setup huge devices in Numerology Pro 3 to do this but it's time consuming and ungainly.. And I lack basic knowledge on how to achieve for example FM modulation.


But for the time being I'm not seeing that Zebra can import these waves, and as this is more of a exploration for me than a need. I likely just work things out with my own WaveTableSynth in Numerology a while yet.

Surge can import these waves if you are on a PC there is a program that converts them to a format Surge can read.

ElectraX is perhaps the one that can do it but that synth at present is way over my budget and its user base is pretty limited so I wonder whats up with that.

Cakewalks Rapture can load these waves there is also a set specifically made for it. Rapture is on offer for a reasonable price but will not work on Mac OX lion at present.


Zebra does not read these raw waves.

Many of the sounds can stand on their own unaltered.

Architecture: Super sound palette for sale to advanced Yewsers, rewards unknown...

Regards

Wade

[rockin1]

Hello,

I know there are already quite a few waveforms in the U-he patch lib. But I am curious about Galbanum's Architecture Waveforms 2010. It was mentioned earlier in this thread. For those of you that have it, is it worth getting? And if so, is the Wav32 sufficient (as opposed to the Wav64)?

Thank you,

Todd

It is not available in Zebra format and would be a large effort to convert. I have contacted them and asked them to offer it in Zebra format already and suggest others do so as well. It would be cool to have this available, especially if the license allows sale of patches created with these waveforms...

[sagetone]

Thanks TwoToneshuzz and rockin1, this is helpful feedback. I know that Zebra can't directly load single cycle waveforms, but the Wav2Zebra and blueberry utils can, so that's what I'd use these for. Also, I have IL's Harmor which loads waveforms. TwoTone, I like what you're saying about the documentation. Yes, there are many waveforms on the 'net, but the file names are just numbers, it's not helpful at all in finding what you want/need. I think I'm going to get the Wav32 from Galbanumm, sounds like a good package.

Todd

[rockin1]

Thanks TwoToneshuzz and rockin1, this is helpful feedback. I know that Zebra can't directly load single cycle waveforms, but the Wav2Zebra and blueberry utils can, so that's what I'd use these for. Also, I have IL's Harmor which loads waveforms. TwoTone, I like what you're saying about the documentation. Yes, there are many waveforms on the 'net, but the file names are just numbers, it's not helpful at all in finding what you want/need. I think I'm going to get the Wav32 from Galbanumm, sounds like a good package.

Todd

If you do get this and convert them to Zebra let us know and maybe ask Galbanum if it's ok to share with other Galbanum customers. I would pay for this but don't want to do the conversion work myself...