Does Zebra allow user Wavetables?

[sagetone]

Hi rockin1,

I will keep you posted, but please know that this is (unfortunately) not what I do full time. So creating Zebra wave tables from Galbanum wave forms will be a slow process for me.

Todd

[rockin1]

Hi rockin1,

I will keep you posted, but please know that this is (unfortunately) not what I do full time. So creating Zebra wave tables from Galbanum wave forms will be a slow process for me.

Todd

Thanks. Hopefully Galbanum might respond to you and maybe they can do it for us...

[pdxindy]

Hi rockin1,

I will keep you posted, but please know that this is (unfortunately) not what I do full time. So creating Zebra wave tables from Galbanum wave forms will be a slow process for me.

Todd

Thanks. Hopefully Galbanum might respond to you and maybe they can do it for us...

That is a ridiculous task to do by hand... Someone can write a specific script to batch process the whole lot! Btw, Urs has said that at some point he is considering adding wave import directly to Zebra.

[rockin1]

That is a ridiculous task to do by hand... Someone can write a specific script to batch process the whole lot! Btw, Urs has said that at some point he is considering adding wave import directly to Zebra.

No kidding. I'm sure Galbanum could do this. That's why I have written them about it and don't plan to buy until they offer Zebra format.

[bmrzycki]

No kidding. I'm sure Galbanum could do this. That's why I have written them about it and don't plan to buy until they offer Zebra format.

This can become a thorny copyright issue. What if you (or others) makes a bank of free/commercial patches and uses 1 of the Galbanum waves for an oscillator? I'd think you'd have to clear the presets with Galbanum before sharing with people on the PatchLib.

Sample inport in Z2 might make this even more murky...hrm...

[rockin1]

No kidding. I'm sure Galbanum could do this. That's why I have written them about it and don't plan to buy until they offer Zebra format.

This can become a thorny copyright issue. What if you (or others) makes a bank of free/commercial patches and uses 1 of the Galbanum waves for an oscillator? I'd think you'd have to clear the presets with Galbanum before sharing with people on the PatchLib.

Sample inport in Z2 might make this even more murky...hrm...

Absolutely. I would buy it either way if they offered it, but it would be nice if they include the ability to distribute patches made with their waveforms. If they didn't allow this I would just keep the patches that use them for my own use.

[jupiter8]

I did plan on doing a batch converter but couldn't figure out a meaningful way of doing the conversion. How to combine the waves into wavetables ? Can you import a single wave without resetting the wavetable ?

[sagetone]

That is a ridiculous task to do by hand...

Hi pdxindy, you are absolutely right. There's no way I would attempt to do this with all of Galbanum's waveforms. I want to start with a few, and learn as I go.

Todd

[TwoToneshuzz]

No kidding. I'm sure Galbanum could do this. That's why I have written them about it and don't plan to buy until they offer Zebra format.

This can become a thorny copyright issue. What if you (or others) makes a bank of free/commercial patches and uses 1 of the Galbanum waves for an oscillator? I'd think you'd have to clear the presets with Galbanum before sharing with people on the PatchLib.

Sample inport in Z2 might make this even more murky...hrm...

Only way around it as I can see that only users that have bought the Galbanum Architecture waves could use the patches.

So in my thought would be that you buy some sort of script and then use your own Galbanum waves to generate the patch.

Just a thought.

Wade

[Sendy]

Is it possible to copyright a single cycle waveform? I can understand copyright existing on the pack as a whole, but one wavecycle? Is a bunch of mathematical ratios not too abstract a concept for locking down with laws? Who's to say if I'm using a sawtooth I made on a synth I own, or a "pirated" sawtooth from the galbanum collection? (Which I own anyway, so this is all academic, lol)

What if I took a single cycle from a Queen song and used that as an oscillator? It would be unidentifiable, since a spectral snapshot surely needs several wavecycles to be identifiable. Nobody is going to hear a filtered buzzing (and all single wavecycles sound like some kind of buzz or hum) and think, "dang it, that evil Sendy ripped a waveform from "I want to Break Free" and used it as an oscillator!", surely?

I dono, this just seems a bit too close to something like copyrighting numbers or words. I'm probably wrong, though.

[Andrew Souter]

I would be interested in either:

1) Making the Galbanum Architecture Waveforms collection available in a format that was directly read by Zebra.

2) Including a sub-set of these waveforms in the factory-standard Zebra product.

http://www.galbanum.com/products/archit ... forms2010/

Urs and I have talked about the second option in the past. I am still interested in exploring it. It is up to Urs, as it is his synth. If he sees many requests for it here in the forum I am sure he will consider it more actively. So if you guys are interested in it, keep the discussion going here and ask him about it and put in some requests...

Option 1 also requires input from Urs to give me the file format specs to make it work. I worked with Camel Audio on Alchemy in this manner, and it is not hard to do if Urs and I communicate about it.

Summary: it's Urs decision. If you are interested, please continue to make requests.

BTW, I am thinking of making a 2012 collection of new waveforms. These would focus on some other areas and uses...

[TwoToneshuzz]

I would be interested in either:

1) Making the Galbanum Architecture Waveforms collection available in a format that was directly read by Zebra.

2) Including a sub-set of these waveforms in the factory-standard Zebra product.

http://www.galbanum.com/products/archit ... forms2010/

Urs and I have talked about the second option in the past. I am still interested in exploring it. It is up to Urs, as it is his synth. If he sees many requests for it here in the forum I am sure he will consider it more actively. So if you guys are interested in it, keep the discussion going here and ask him about it and put in some requests...

Option 1 also requires input from Urs to give me the file format specs to make it work. I worked with Camel Audio on Alchemy in this manner, and it is not hard to do if Urs and I communicate about it.

Summary: it's Urs decision. If you are interested, please continue to make requests.

BTW, I am thinking of making a 2012 collection of new waveforms. These would focus on some other areas and uses...

I really like th Architecture waveform 2010 resource and have made a homemade wavesequence player in Numerology to experiment with them. It's fascinating to load up some waves and then be surprised by what they can do. Even raw waves with out any further processing can be amazing sometimes.

And no I don't think an average user "me" can tweak a few knobs and reach the same results using wavegenerating software.

Regards

Wade

[Andrew Souter]

Is it possible to copyright a single cycle waveform? I can understand copyright existing on the pack as a whole, but one wavecycle? Is a bunch of mathematical ratios not too abstract a concept for locking down with laws? Who's to say if I'm using a sawtooth I made on a synth I own, or a "pirated" sawtooth from the galbanum collection? (Which I own anyway, so this is all academic, lol)

What if I took a single cycle from a Queen song and used that as an oscillator? It would be unidentifiable, since a spectral snapshot surely needs several wavecycles to be identifiable. Nobody is going to hear a filtered buzzing (and all single wavecycles sound like some kind of buzz or hum) and think, "dang it, that evil Sendy ripped a waveform from "I want to Break Free" and used it as an oscillator!", surely?

I dono, this just seems a bit too close to something like copyrighting numbers or words. I'm probably wrong, though.

I do actually own copyright of "3", "7" and "q" and "f". Unfortunately "0" and "1" and the rest were already taken, otherwise I could probably buy a tropical island and retire.

There is the law, and there is the spirit of the law. The first is for lawyers to figure out at $500/hour. The second is more a philosophical code-of-conduct.

For me it comes down to a simple test: "Do unto others, as you would have done to yourself."

Obviously a saw wave either in form:

y = 2.0*(floor(x) - x)-1.0

or

y = sum (1/n (sin(n * 2.0*pi*x))), n=1 to 1024

is not real proprietary... but some deep independent thought went into many of the other classes of waveforms in the collection. And I think it's more than a fair price for the amount of content the product offers.

[TwoToneshuzz]

Is it possible to copyright a single cycle waveform? I can understand copyright existing on the pack as a whole, but one wavecycle? Is a bunch of mathematical ratios not too abstract a concept for locking down with laws? Who's to say if I'm using a sawtooth I made on a synth I own, or a "pirated" sawtooth from the galbanum collection? (Which I own anyway, so this is all academic, lol)

What if I took a single cycle from a Queen song and used that as an oscillator? It would be unidentifiable, since a spectral snapshot surely needs several wavecycles to be identifiable. Nobody is going to hear a filtered buzzing (and all single wavecycles sound like some kind of buzz or hum) and think, "dang it, that evil Sendy ripped a waveform from "I want to Break Free" and used it as an oscillator!", surely?

I dono, this just seems a bit too close to something like copyrighting numbers or words. I'm probably wrong, though.

I do actually own copyright of "3", "7" and "q" and "f". Unfortunately "0" and "1" and the rest were already taken, otherwise I could probably buy a tropical island and retire.

There is the law, and there is the spirit of the law. The first if for lawyers to figure out at $500/hour. The second is more a philosophical code-of-conduct.

For me it comes down to a simple test: "Do unto others, as you would have done to yourself."

Obviously a saw wave either in form:

y = 2.0*(floor(x) - x)-1.0

or

y = sum (1/n (sin(n * 2.0*pi*x))), n=1 to 1024

is not real proprietary... but some deep independent thought went into many of the other classes of waveforms in the collection. And I think it's more than a fair price for the amount of content the product offers.

I've no problem following this. The Architecture waves are an amazing resource! It demands careful use rules but also just hard work to get some interesting usable results so it's a give give propostion in my opinion.

Wade

[Sendy]

There is the law, and there is the spirit of the law. The first if for lawyers to figure out at $500/hour. The second is more a philosophical code-of-conduct.

For me it comes down to a simple test: "Do unto others, as you would have done to yourself."

Obviously a saw wave either in form:

y = 2.0*(floor(x) - x)-1.0

or

y = sum (1/n (sin(n * 2.0*pi*x))), n=1 to 1024

is not real proprietary... but some deep independent thought went into many of the other classes of waveforms in the collection. And I think it's more than a fair price for the amount of content the product offers.

Thanks for the answer. Makes sense really, I'm just nitpicking and playing devil's advocate The grey area between illegal and legal is interesting to me.

I only make music and not sample/sound design so I've never really thought about it. It would be awesome to have those waves in Zebra and be able to add the Oscillator FX and wotnot, though.

I think some of the more complex waves with high-frequency content might be impossible in Zebra's current oscillator, since there's a limited number of breakpoints you can have per wave. I get the impression Urs may up the specs of the oscillator at some point in the future, though.