Ipad sequencers?

[IncarnateX]

Unless you have an Audio/MIDI interface (or the ioDock), then you can easily record audio from one app straight into another app such as BeatMaker 2. No need for AudioCopy/Paste in this scenario

I keep meaning to make a video to show this. I'll post it here if I do.

I have actually reached the conclusion that VIrtual Midi is not the way forward for me. The iPad 2 can not run more than about 4 apps at the same time and even if it could, you have to switch interfaces all the time to mix the deal. And some apps don' t even have a pan option nor an equalizer. Neither can I send it all through a master compressor or master reverb, so in all mixing is limited and mastering is not an option.

For the time being I just stick to making some basics in one app, say Rebirth or iSequencer, and finish it in NanoStudio or Beatmaker loaded with my favorite samples and waveforms. In Beatmaker 2, I can then sync and add a phrase or two from a VM synth now and then.

Cheers

[Sascha Franck]

There should be a plugin standard for iOS. As easy as that. Anything else is cumbersome and partially a really huge step back to what we know from even the most basic workstations.

- Sascha

[iDesignSound]

Does any of the sequencers, using virtual midi with other apps (i.e. Sunrizer), render the other apps sound when exporting song to wav/mp3?

Unfortunately not. We still need a "record what you hear" app so a Virtual Midi session can be recorded as a whole. Until then you will have to record the instruments individually by virtue of their internal recorders and paste it all to an app like Beatmaker 2, NanoStudio, Meteor or MultiTrack DAW.

Unless you have an Audio/MIDI interface (or the ioDock), then you can easily record audio from one app straight into another app such as BeatMaker 2. No need for AudioCopy/Paste in this scenario

I keep meaning to make a video to show this. I'll post it here if I do.

In the mean time, just explain how to do it.

Just take two audio cables from the L&R audio outputs on your audio interface and plug then into the audio inputs

[risome]

This
http://www.analogindustries.com/blog/en ... 4515531593

[Jesse J]

It depends what you mean by "sequencer". Phaedra is a really cool modular-type (klee) sequencer for the iPad and if you like cubase/logic kinda seq workflow I'd recommend Beatmaker 2.

You should also check out this Facebook group called iPad Audio/Music Apps with over 500 members: http://www.facebook.com/groups/313781651056/

Hope this helps!

[Sascha Franck]

Just take two audio cables from the L&R audio outputs on your audio interface and plug then into the audio inputs

In times when everything is created inside computers and stays there until things are really done, this is a massive step back.

- Sascha

[Jesse J]

In times when everything is created inside computers and stays there until things are really done, this is a massive step back.

What times are those? I have a wall of guitars, tons of pedals, a modular synth rack, hardware synths, amps, mics, controllers, 2-3 computers and an iPad. The iPad plugs into the Audio Interface just like the other stuff I have, except occasionally I might export a loop and transfer it digitally from the iPad.

If I would to "create everything inside the computer digitally", that would be a massive step back!

I think some you guys are expecting a little too much out of the iPad? It's a nice instrument and most importantly it has a multitouch display that means a lot of new ways to interact with your apps. It's however obviously not a laptop or a tabletop computer CPU-wise. However, it will interact fine with your existing CPU powerhouses. Also, it is still a fairly new product, so the (awesome) things you can do with it will sure get a lot more fantastic in the years to come.

[Sascha Franck]

If I would to "create everything inside the computer digitally", that would be a massive step back!

Well, I don't even disagree. I'm a guitar player myself.
Yet, in this thread it was about getting the signal created by one software into another software - both of which are installed on the same computer. In this case, no extra DA/AD conversion should be required at all.

- Sascha

[Jesse J]

If I would to "create everything inside the computer digitally", that would be a massive step back!

Well, I don't even disagree. I'm a guitar player myself.
Yet, in this thread it was about getting the signal created by one software into another software - both of which are installed on the same computer. In this case, no extra DA/AD conversion should be required at all.

- Sascha

True, that's something that needs to be ironed out, but just a year ago, we didn't have any of this. Things are getting better at a very fast pace!

When I use my iPad as a sequencer, I'm sending MIDI out to external hardware devices. When I use it as an instrument (with the band, as a sidekick to the hardware synths) I simple use it live with it's audio outs as a single instrument (usually ThumbJam or JasutoPro)

[Sascha Franck]

Things are getting better at a very fast pace!

To be honest, I don't see this, yet.
Better = yes, absolutely.
Fast pace = well, not really.

Seriously, there shouldn't have been any problems of virtual MIDI connections, audio pasteboards (sometimes not even working properly), using an additional computer (aka iTunes filesharing) and whatsoever at all.
All these (partially rigid) limitations aren't a result of iDevices not being powerful enough, either. Admittedly, they may not be powerful enough for quite some things, but artificially limiting them by keeping several sorts of "standards" away from them can't be the solution.

- Sascha

[BMoore]

Does any of the sequencers, using virtual midi with other apps (i.e. Sunrizer), render the other apps sound when exporting song to wav/mp3?

Unfortunately not. We still need a "record what you hear" app so a Virtual Midi session can be recorded as a whole. Until then you will have to record the instruments individually by virtue of their internal recorders and paste it all to an app like Beatmaker 2, NanoStudio, Meteor or MultiTrack DAW.

Unless you have an Audio/MIDI interface (or the ioDock), then you can easily record audio from one app straight into another app such as BeatMaker 2. No need for AudioCopy/Paste in this scenario

I keep meaning to make a video to show this. I'll post it here if I do.

In the mean time, just explain how to do it.

Just take two audio cables from the L&R audio outputs on your audio interface and plug then into the audio inputs

Why did you say "unless you have..."?

Maybe I misunderstood.

[kuniklo]

Even though I've implemented virtual midi in my own iPad synth, I agree that the experience of switching back and forth between multiple apps isn't really very satisfying. I think the real sweet spot for mobile music apps is in either complete integrated studios like NanoStudio or in control surface apps like Lemur etc.

[woodsdenis]

Even though I've implemented virtual midi in my own iPad synth, I agree that the experience of switching back and forth between multiple apps isn't really very satisfying. I think the real sweet spot for mobile music apps is in either complete integrated studios like NanoStudio or in control surface apps like Lemur etc.

Totally agree, virtual midi and audio paste is only of interest and exciting to users who have never used the most basic of computer based DAWs. It has to be the most convoluted and clunky way around the issue. In fact it reminds of techniques from 20 years ago when all you had was an Akai s900 and tried to build tracks around that with an AtariST. That being said Nanostudio has some great sounds and can produce some nearly finished stuff, still need to import it into a DAW to mix master etc. The control aspect of the iPad multi touch screen is of course it's forte and the apps that use it are the ones that shine for me. The elephant in the room is always going to be that an iPad is severely under powered in Speed/RAM/HD space compared to a laptop/desktop and will never catch up due to its physical size restrictions.

[mod4]

I had 5 synths running ok with genome , sunrizer , sunrizer xs, animoog, nlog and arctickeys. Some programmes like samplewiz seem to hog memory and sunrizer has issues with midi off notes, it gets stuck.

I hate most of the sequencers for ios, all i want is a basic mpc style no visual sequencer, it just puts me off. Its about sound not lights.

Genome is ok but fiddly and no program change option.
Meteor is ok but external sync is bad and no mmc sync input.
Symphonix Evolution is notation based which is better simple but hogs memory and midi isnt great.

Ipad for daw audio is ok, if you like the same reverb, chorus, distortion, eq etc. most of the fx use the same programming library anyway.

The answer to the question is dont use an ipad for sequencing , use an external sequencer or another ipad or computer.
Still waiting for Android to wake up to the 21st century as well.

Im going back to my mpc and using ipad for synth its just so much easier.

[Dewaine]

mod4 said "Im going back to my mpc and using ipad for synth its just so much easier."

+1

I'm using Maschine Mikro with my Macbook Air 11". Without a doubt the best portable music creation system I have ever used. Real hardware to play, and can go anywhere. iPad is an awesome synth/sound module, but a lame sequencer IMHO. Just too much hassle to use.