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GeorgeZ · Post by **GeorgeZ** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:17 am

zvenx wrote:
4damind wrote:Maybe it will be good new synth but with this Watermarking and other "Malware" copy protection stuff my interest to buy this synth is not very big.
what's wrong with watermarking?
rsp

Is leaves a stain...

Seriously though, nothing, unless you're someone who leaks software to hackers... which is where G2 got it's malware. It was a cracked/hacked version that had been tampered with (AiR hack iirc) that started these BS "phone home" / malware rumors... it's pathetic really.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:37 am

thats my view as well, but they may be a legitimate reason I have overlooked about watermarking...I have several products I have licensed that are watermarked including tone 2 and a few others and I have no problems with them protecting their software by doing so.....was just curious if there is a legitimate reason for being anti watermarking..
rsp

HcDoom · Post by **HcDoom** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:20 am

Bastiaan from Tone2.com wrote: Especially for KVR members we will also give away a copy of Warmverb, AkustiX or Filterbank3 (your choice) each week to one person replying inside this thread, note that this will run for the next four weeks, the winners are chosen at random from the list of replyers with a new winner picked each Friday at 14.00 (CET)

Heard Filterbank3 and it's great, it would be nice to have it.

Bastiaan from Tone2.com · Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:12 pm

Updated the image and feature list

BFunKu · Post by **BFunKu** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:50 pm

I'm really looking forward to the new Tone2 Saurus synth! I'm sure it will be top notch!

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:36 pm

GeorgeZ wrote:
zvenx wrote:
4damind wrote:Maybe it will be good new synth but with this Watermarking and other "Malware" copy protection stuff my interest to buy this synth is not very big.
what's wrong with watermarking?
rsp
Is leaves a stain... Seriously though, nothing, unless you're someone who leaks software to hackers... which is where G2 got it's malware. It was a cracked/hacked version that had been tampered with (AiR hack iirc) that started these BS "phone home" / malware rumors... it's pathetic really.

Wrong, and wrong again. Not rumor, truth.

The fact that you're calling it a rumor is akin to calling me a liar, and this is not a lie.

I downloaded my copy straight from Tone2 and couldn't get it working. No "AiR hack." The "add software to your firewall's white list" solution came straight from Tone2 support.

Now, I'll say again, that I don't think there's anything really amoral about this except for the fact that it's done without the user's knowledge. If it just used a simple c/r authorization I wouldn't have had the problem.

The rumor is that calling home doesn't happen. My firewall caught it in the act. Notice how no one from Tone2 denies this? So... I own Gladiator 2, one of the expansions and Warmverb. I love them both. They're not buggy and sound fantastic. However... as a company Tone2 seems to be a bit less than honest with it's declaration of software protection methods.

If my work was being passed around the internet willy-nilly I'd probably be pretty angry too, but I don't think this is an excuse to not disclose your protection methods from your customers. Look at developers like U-He. He seems to be able to keep selling software without resorting to less than transparent methods.

So I'm sure if my name would come up in this contest Tone2 will toss it out and pick the next one, but I think it's important to put the truth out there.

Edit: for fun, here is an actual quote from the developer. It was Warmverb that the problem was with, so my memory was a bit dim there...

zerocrossing wrote:
Bastiaan from Tone2.com wrote:
zerocrossing wrote:What do people think about Tone2's copy protection and the fact that you need to alter your firewall to get it to work properly? I had this issue with Warmverb, not sure if Gladiator uses the same protection.
It doesn't happen with our other products and so far only a couple of our customers reported a Warmverb-firewall incompatibility, requiring a small change in the firewall's configuration.

Nevertheless, I'm sorry to hear about the problems you ran into, we try to make use of our software as smooth as possible but sometimes these incompatibilities happen. We'll take care of it in the next Warmverb release.
That's nice and all, but why is it accessing the outside world at all without our permission? It really bums me out. I'm pro anti-piracy but at what point does the protection justify the end result?

kylie · Post by **kylie** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:43 pm

since week one winner was already picked, I assume I shall hurry up to be selected for next week, huh?

GeorgeZ · Post by **GeorgeZ** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:10 pm

zerocrossing wrote:The fact that you're calling it a rumor is akin to calling me a liar....

Oh, don't take it so personally. I'm merely conveying my experience with T2 software (and the tests I did), and what I remember about what happened back then.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:21 pm

GeorgeZ wrote:
zerocrossing wrote:The fact that you're calling it a rumor is akin to calling me a liar....
Oh, don't take it so personally. I'm merely conveying my experience with T2 software (and the tests I did), and what I remember about what happened back then.

Do you see what you're doing though? By saying "it didn't effect me so it didn't happen" you're basically smoke-screening the actual truth. Why comment at all if you don't know for sure what happened?

Markoni · Post by **Markoni** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:30 pm

kylie wrote:since week one winner was already picked, I assume I shall hurry up to be selected for next week, huh?

Me too!!!

GeorgeZ · Post by **GeorgeZ** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:38 pm

zerocrossing wrote:
GeorgeZ wrote:
zerocrossing wrote:The fact that you're calling it a rumor is akin to calling me a liar....
Oh, don't take it so personally. I'm merely conveying my experience with T2 software (and the tests I did), and what I remember about what happened back then.
Do you see what you're doing though? By saying "it didn't effect me so it didn't happen" you're basically smoke-screening the actual truth. Why comment at all if you don't know for sure what happened?

... so, I'm smoke-screening cause I didn't have the issues you had? Seriously?

xybre · Post by **xybre** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:48 am

Awesome a new synth!

A retro-styled synth from Tone2? That's unexpected, but cool, I'm curious about it. I know Markus has a lot of experience with real analog gear.

vata44 · Post by **vata44** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:12 am

I love Tone 2 stuff... very unique sound and very powerful workflows. I cannot wait!

bailees7irish · Post by **bailees7irish** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:08 am

this synth is starting to look pretty sweet! i'm excited about this one!!!

sounddesigner · Post by **sounddesigner** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:46 am

vaisnava wrote:I love Tone 2 stuff... very unique sound and very powerful workflows. I cannot wait!

+1.. Tone 2 synths are awesome.

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