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Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:47 am

mid-side isn't possible in any of my plugs yet, even though the formula is very simple. Is there any article about its real usefulness anywhere? Methinks that only non-linear processes make any difference, but eq/filter should literally sound the same? Delay would even become incompatible to mono summing...? How much difference/magic does it do for compression then?

Regarding modulation of FX-amount in Diva: We have deliberately left out any ModMatrix and Sequencers. That's because we want to see the implications of Multicore support first. Straight out, while a ModMatrix costs nothing in single core usage, it involves a fair amount of extra processing in multicore usage, because parameter structures could not be shared across voice boundaries anymore. For that reason I want to keep the topic of ModMatrices and thus FX modulation open till after we either see a very dramatic performance boost, or go/no go on multicore support.

Cheers,

Urs

Cyoon · Post by **Cyoon** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:08 am

For me it kinda gives me a better 3d feeling at least. Now i just put two same osc in one row, one full stereo and one phase inverted in mono..and another same osc in a new row inphase with the stereo one but even mono..and apply different fx , lfos etc..works preety cool imo..

Aiynzahev · Post by **Aiynzahev** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:59 pm

Urs wrote:
Regarding modulation of FX-amount in Diva: We have deliberately left out any ModMatrix and Sequencers. That's because we want to see the implications of Multicore support first. Straight out, while a ModMatrix costs nothing in single core usage, it involves a fair amount of extra processing in multicore usage, because parameter structures could not be shared across voice boundaries anymore. For that reason I want to keep the topic of ModMatrices and thus FX modulation open till after we either see a very dramatic performance boost, or go/no go on multicore support.

Cheers,

Urs

Hi Urs.

Thats cool, but there are already some modulation options available in DIVA, like the envelope as soure and FM as destination. It would be really useful to have just one more, since it is the finishing touch on a sound. Please consider it for me because I use it extensively in my other synths.

Howard · Post by **Howard** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:06 pm

Aiyn... You should read what Urs wrote more carefully!

Aiynzahev · Post by **Aiynzahev** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:24 pm

Howard wrote:Aiyn... You should read what Urs wrote more carefully!

While I understand why you are waiting to add a mod-matrix I'm saying there are already modulations available. Is implementing FX mod a different affair from the modulation options already available? If so then I can understand.

In other words my reasoning was simply since we already have the ability to modulate resonance for example with an envelope would it a large under-taking to add FX 1&2 amount?

No problem though. I just think it would be great to have now, thats all.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:59 am

Aiyn wrote: In other words my reasoning was simply since we already have the ability to modulate resonance for example with an envelope would it a large under-taking to add FX 1&2 amount?

FX are global... thus you are modulating all voices... so modulating FX now might be a problem later because of potential changes to how a voice is generated

Aiynzahev · Post by **Aiynzahev** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:03 am

Oh now I understand. Thanks

Howard · Post by **Howard** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:00 am

Sorry for my previous curt reply (which wasn't very helpful) - I get lazy on the iPad!

Aiynzahev · Post by **Aiynzahev** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:18 am

Oh okay thanks for letting me know! I double checked Urs' post quite a few times but still didn't understand.

Well I am very excited about the CPU reduction in the future anyway

justin3am · Post by **justin3am** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:16 pm

If the MIDI implementation in U-he products changes in the near future, it'd would be nice if parameters would respond to increment/decrement messages in addition to absolute values.

As you probably know, encoders work by sending out a certain number of pulses per revolution... Normally a MIDI controller's firmware will use the these pulses to increment a MIDI CC (or whatever) value when you turn the encoder CW and decrement the value when you turn the encoder CCW. Some MIDI controllers can be configured to send out (for eample) 0xB0 0x??(CCnumber) 0x7f for each pulse as you turn the encoder CW and 0xB0 0x?? 0x00 for each pulse as you turn the encoder CCW.

The benefit of this method is that it works in relationship to the current value of the software, so you don't get jumping parameters when you change patches or whatever. The downside is you don't get any feedback from the software or the controller's firmware.

This is also nice for assigning MIDI CCs to menu options. You can set up a button that always sends a value of 7f and assign that button to LFO shape, so that each time you press the button it goes to the next LFO shape.

The issue of feedback is a difficult one because no current commercial MIDI controllers will show text or values on their display based on ASCII strings imbedded in SYSEX data... but that may change.

justin3am · Post by **justin3am** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:00 pm

I forgot to mention that you can control parameters with much high resolution this way (as opposed to 7bit MIDI CCs).

kimik · Post by **kimik** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:28 pm

in DIVA i'd like to have hpf and lpf knobs within the reverb section too, there's even room for two knobs there and the plate verb would be much more useful with some basic filtering options, especially cause it does sound quite nice alot of times but can muddy up things in the mix...

xalama qo · Post by **xalama qo** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:25 pm

Hi Urs,
I haven't gone thru this entire thread, so I hope this isn't a repeat request, apologies if it is!
I just bought Plughuggers Modern Bass bank for Diva...lots of very nice sounds!
I'm browsing through them all in the patches page, when I realise that I'm only seeing a portion of what's actually in the bank! This is because the patch page scrolls vertically, and not horizontally.

To my mind it would make more sense, instead of having a fixed number of patch columns of variable length, to rather have the column's length fit to the visible space, and then scroll left-right through x columns to see more patches.

Hope that makes sense!
Cheers.

xalama qo · Post by **xalama qo** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:31 pm

Hi again, while I'm here I thought I'd mention a Diva feature request which I think is a glaring ommission

I'd really like a gain knob before the filters so they can be cranked into overdrive! Or alternatively, a master volume control on each of the oscillator models that allows a good level of pre-filter boost.

Sorry for the OT!
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Urs · Post by **Urs** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:34 pm

Yeah, horizontal patch scrolling is on the list...

Filter input gain too, but not 100% certain yet.

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