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haha No problem, some great suggestions have come up :) I am going to stop adding soon though and then they will have to wait until v1.1. There's still all the presets to do, manual to update (again), videos to make......

Well, for all intents and purposes the sequences are tuneless, it really just represents a 2 octave range of notes, the root note being the centre. The sequence could be transposed either by the local transpose or the global transpose so the root could actually be any note.

So in an attempt to make it easy to work with C was chosen as the scale to be displayed as you need only a basic understanding of scales to know what C major is for instance. So Vortex for the sake of simplicity pretends that all sequences are in C.

Now say you have an arpeggio cycling through a C Minor chord, if you then turned on Squash to Scale and made a C major chord the sequence would then be squashed to C Major using the rule set in the master section. So if it is UP then wrong notes are transposed upwards to the next valid note in the squash scale. So the D# notes in this example would be transposed up to E.

Like the Sequence Display the squash scale is unrelated to actual pitch, it is only dealing with the relationship between notes, the first note being the root. This tallies with the middle note on the sequence display, we are simply working with the relationship to the root.

I hope that makes sense!

So why does the squash to scale exist? Here's an example of an easy way to generate a preset (I plan to do a video with this):

1: Start with an initialized preset
2: Switch on Squash to Scale, make a C Minor Chord on the Scale display.
3: Click set to All

Now all Sequences are set up to Squash to C Minor, so you can go to a sequence and randomize or draw away knowing that all of the sequences will work together regardless of what you do.

Vortex is based on the classic style of step sequencer like what you would get on the MS2000 for instance, those kind of sequencers are dealing with a relationship of notes, not hard coded notes like on the cubase note editor for instance.

As for changing the display based on the root note, it would make things very confusing, it's a 2 octave relationship with the root note in the middle. If you remember I was reluctant to have white/black notes on there in the first place because it then becomes locked to C visually which is misleading. The display represents a 2 octave range of notes with a root in the middle, octave above at the top and octave below at the bottom. The root note has to be in these positions as that is what the step sequencer is :) So when we added the C markings to the display, the problem is that now we have to pretend that the scale is always in C, once you accept the fact that it isn't but the display makes it easier to see what's going on, it's all good (I think).

Phew, hope I covered it well enough, I'm just about to get today's beta out and then bed...

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//////////// BETA 27
* Bypass now works correctly with both octaves
* Hold Disables added to the Advanced Screen for octaves c3 & c4
* The synths are now in tune with external midi gear
* VU Display Left/Right swapped.
* Added Set All button for Midi Thru buttons, will set the value of the first button across all.
* Added logging back into the load Scale again.
* Added Semitune to the Synths Page can tune between -12 to 12.

If you experience the load scale problem send me the log info, nobody has provided it yet and so I still have no idea what the problem is. Do the following:

-Start your DAW from scratch
-Load Vortex
-Click on the Load button Once.
-If it didn't display send me the log file located at C:/dlog3.txt

Thanks!

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Astralp wrote:Well, for all intents and purposes the sequences are tuneless, it really just represents a 2 octave range of notes, the root note being the centre. The sequence could be transposed either by the local transpose or the global transpose so the root could actually be any note.
Got it! The transpose adjusts the ... for lack of a better way to say ... the root note/ white grid line of the octave. So there is my way of harmonically changing to any key I want!


Astralp wrote:I hope that makes sense!

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3: Click set to All
It makes perfect sense ... but I need to find the 'set to All' switch for the squash to scale. I haven't discovered that yet. Or is that the Cntrl click thing?


Astralp wrote:As for changing the display based on the root note, it would make things very confusing, it's a 2 octave relationship with the root note in the middle. If you remember I was reluctant to have white/black notes on there in the first place because it then becomes locked to C visually which is misleading. The display represents a 2 octave range of notes with a root in the middle, octave above at the top and octave below at the bottom. The root note has to be in these positions as that is what the step sequencer is :) So when we added the C markings to the display, the problem is that now we have to pretend that the scale is always in C, once you accept the fact that it isn't but the display makes it easier to see what's going on, it's all good (I think).

Phew, hope I covered it well enough, I'm just about to get today's beta out and then bed...
I see your point ... but I still think showing the normal piano board scale is very useful for actually drawing in sequences ... the more you understand scales and keys, the more useful it is!

And I also think the squash2scale is great (although, as with 'latch,' I wonder why you didn't call it 'snap2scale).':hihi:

Maybe there could just be a little label/ tag to the left of the sequence by one of the white grid lines, middle probably, stating "Root C." When you transpose up or down, the display indicates what the new root note is. Transpose up 2 semitones and the label now reads 'Root D.' I'd think it would be relatively simple ... as opposed to trying to make the sequence display reflect what D chromatic would look like on an actual keyboard.

Till tomorrow.

Como 8)
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I like the midi thru and the modifiers. Haven't played around with the advanced section as yet.

I have a question regarding the multisequencer. For myself I have noticed the trigger buttons don't switch on or off.(They still work anyway, when keys are pressed) But they do in the step sequencer mode. Is that right?

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Como yes you have it now :)

Set to all is to the right of the sequence display just below the randomize buttons.

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MarkSA wrote:I like the midi thru and the modifiers. Haven't played around with the advanced section as yet.

I have a question regarding the multisequencer. For myself I have noticed the trigger buttons don't switch on or off.(They still work anyway, when keys are pressed) But they do in the step sequencer mode. Is that right?
Sorry Mark don't quite understand this can you explain a bit more?

Just going to bed so I might understand it after a brain recharge :)

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Mark is Vortex working on your DAW now?

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Sorry Andy,

The trigger buttons can be switched on and off when you use Step sequencer but not when you switch to multisequence mode.

DAW:
I have managed to get the beta with the no samples found error mode to load in N track studio, not reaper; but the Squash to scale button didn't work. The recorder didn't work.

I have had the samples installed, but it didn't find them. Uninstalled the samples just to be sure, ran Vortex, then the no samples error came up.

I have similar issues with your plugins on this machine.

I found the DAW computer works okay and I have loaded other vsti's up and they load. I think there is a problem with ASIO4all on this machine and the soundcards? Installing various runtimes made no difference.

I'm at present testing Vortex on the machine I have access to the internet on. It mostly behaves. Odd eh?

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como baila wrote:But isn't this already implemented with the little dark red square just to the right of the keyboard in each sequence? I thought clicking this blanked all the presets in the bank?

Como
If I understand that button correctly it only clears the current PATCH ( a patch you could save as a FXP). What I meant was a uninitialized BANK-file (.FXB), a file with clean presets. No biggie but handy if you want to start fresh.

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Astralp wrote:* Midi Thru Mode Added - Enable on the synth page - this allows midi notes to be sent to the external midi output whilst the synth is enabled. Note that only note on/off data is sent in this mode to prevent confusion.
Andy, is there any possibility I could convince you to let the CC-values slip out through Midi Thru? I really like it when I have an internal drum rhythm going on from one of the step sequencers, and at the same time drive Ace or Diva to improve on that beat via Midi thru. It would love to have the CC's propagate to the external synth to be able to modulate anything, like the delay length or whatever. Do you think it will be too confusing for the user or is there too much Midi activity going on?

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jensa wrote:
como baila wrote:But isn't this already implemented with the little dark red square just to the right of the keyboard in each sequence? I thought clicking this blanked all the presets in the bank?

Como
If I understand that button correctly it only clears the current PATCH ( a patch you could save as a FXP). What I meant was a uninitialized BANK-file (.FXB), a file with clean presets. No biggie but handy if you want to start fresh.

Hmmmmh ... I thought the one to clear the sequence was down to the right of the sequence somewhere and the one at the top initialized the whole bank. I'm pretty sure.

Try it ... after you save any work!

EDIT: Oops, I think I'm wrong. You're right, it only clears the 12 sequencers in the current preset, not the bank.

But your gonna have to click once anyway to get to the next preset. What's one more click between friends? :)



Como
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como baila wrote:EDIT: Oops, I think I'm wrong. You're right, it only clears the 12 sequencers in the current preset, not the bank.

But your gonna have to click once anyway to get to the next preset. What's one more click between friends? :)

Como
:) I just wanted the possibility of a Tabula Rasa without any patches in the drop-down-menu in Reaper, when I want to create my own bank. Only because I couldn't find a way to do it through Reaper's plugin management. Maybe I missed something? :)
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Another thing Andy, when feeding external plugins, like Zebra, where you have right-click -> "Midi learn" instead of assigning a CC-number. How do you connect CC1, CC2, CC3 and CC4? I don't seem to be able to. Is there a way to send simple CC manually to bind them to a parameter in a plugin?

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In my nightly plumbing of the depths of Vortex ... and a mighty pretty wench she is, indeed! ...

1. The new 'global' switches in Synths for Direct Out and MIDI Thru don't seem to be doing any thing except momentarily flashing.

2. I'd like a similar 'global' switch for Internal in the MIDI Mixer and for activated in the CC Mixer ... even if they don't work, 'cause I know sooner or later you'll fix them. :D

3. If this isn't too big a PITA, as in 'give 'em an inch, and they'll take a mile,' now that you've nicely added the Hold Bypass keyboard, it would be nice if held notes in the global keyboard were a different color from momentary ones ... like maybe red for 'held.'

Besides Vortex, I'm in a bit of sonic nirvana as I just got my most recent eBay purchase delivered today: an Ensoniq MR Rack. It is sounding really nice ... but I haven't fed it some Vortex, as I haven't had time to rack and set it up in my system.

So many projects, so little time.

Como
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OK ... my last entry for today.

I did a little midi recording experiment to clarify for myself how the pitch shift worked. I now realize that if I'd asked the question more clearly, Andy could have already answered me.

I turned off squash2scale, although I now realize that that also would have made no difference.

I drew a few arpeggios in C major using only C, E, G and B (OK, C major 7th).

I then enabled pitchshift, recorded a few bars and then began also recording the sequence while engaging the pitch shift keys.

What I conclude is that pitch shift works exactly like 'Transpose' on the sequence page. If you hit the D note in pitch shift, your entire sequence is transposed up so that now the root is D ... same as setting the transpose to +2.

In triggering the various pitch shift key ... only the 'white' diatonic, I recorded notes like C# and A#, which aren't in the key of C at all (the original sequence).

I guess what I wish for, were it possible, is for the pitch shifted sequence to simply start on a higher note, but remain in the key of the original sequence.

I can accomplish this with use of the MIDI Modifier plugin in Cubase by setting, in this example, the key to C and the scale to major in the plugin to filter Vortex' output to behave as I'd like. But I still wish, if it were possible, to be able to do this directly in Vortex to generate harmonically correct variations on the riffs in the sequences.

I don' want much, do I?

See you all tomorrow!


Como
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