Vortex VSTi - Multi Timbral Groove Machine Beta

[soundklinik]

I've just tried it in chainer and it appears to work correctly. Are you using the GUI to edit the tempo setting?

When I load Vortex, the tempo is always set to 32 as a default.
This tempo is actually 16 beats per bar.
It is not in 32nds. 32/32nds in a bar makes a snare roll. Tempo 2 = bar, 8 is actually 1/4, etc
That is why (I think) maschine, LIVE and other VST platforms "read" it differently.

[Astralp]

The tempo divisions actually relate to the Vortex internal clock, not the hosts, at some point there will be a double/half setting to affect the master clock, another thing that's on the list..

You didn't answer my question on the reverse tempo, but I think I know what that is if you are editing other than from the GUI, the parameter doesn't use an index but rather a value that is useful in the background. I have thought about changing that but I'm concerned about backward compatibility, so yes if you were using an external controller to choose tempo it would be in reverse order, however the correct label should always show.

[Astralp]

Latest News, I have just completed building an RPN based control system for every parameter on the sequence screen. So absolutely everything in the currently selected sequence can be controlled via RPN messages, seems to work well in tests so far.

[musikmachine]

Great!

So how will it work in practise with assigning controls?

[Astralp]

On your controller select RPN as the control type, look in the Vortex manual for the MSB and LSB for the parameter you want and then assign the value range. Stuff like the sequences, rows have their own MSB and use LSBs 0 to 31 for the steps.

Example:

Note step 1 = RPN -> MSB 1 -> LSB 0 and the value range is 0 to 25
Note step 2 = RPN -> MSB 1 -> LSB 1 and the value range is 0 to 25

I offset the notes by 1 so that if the param value is set to zero it automatically mutes the step which I though was a great way to save having muter controls as well

Once you've set one up you'll get it if you haven't used RPN/NRPNs before? I hope all controllers support them, my X-station does and leaves all those precious CCs for other stuff.

[soundklinik]

The tempo divisions actually relate to the Vortex internal clock, not the hosts, at some point there will be a double/half setting to affect the master clock, another thing that's on the list.

I am NOT talking about BPM, but for the sake of clarity, set it to 120.
I am talking about Vortex's tempo setting. Take a metronome from http://www.metronomeonline.com/ and run it against Vortex
Vortex Manual on page 25:
Tempo - This setting determines the speed which the sequence will play as a division of the global clock speed.

I don't want to argue with you, but I am sorry, at 120 BPM and "32" (which I presume is 1/32nds) I make a snare roll. (Fill 1 bar with 16 notes)
In Vortex under "32", I play value of a 16th notes. It is actually impossible to make a "roll" in Vortex at 120bpm.
Anyway, I find it hard to believe that no one noticed it, (and I am really just trying to explain myself) so it makes me wonder if I'm loosing my marbles...

You didn't answer my question on the reverse tempo, but I think I know what that is if you are editing other than from the GUI, the parameter doesn't use an index but rather a value that is useful in the background

I didn't know you asked me, and I have no clue what you're talking about, sorry
Edit: I found it but I meant the values were reversed in maschine 1bar=STOP, in Bloxpander 1bar=32nds the TRUE value 32nds NOTHING to do with the clock

[Astralp]

Vortex's global clock speed, not the hosts, when the control is in there for doubling/halving the tempo it will still be a 32nd of Vortex's internal clock speed.

[musikmachine]

On your controller select RPN as the control type, look in the Vortex manual for the MSB and LSB for the parameter you want and then assign the value range. Stuff like the sequences, rows have their own MSB and use LSBs 0 to 31 for the steps.

Example:

Note step 1 = RPN -> MSB 1 -> LSB 0 and the value range is 0 to 25
Note step 2 = RPN -> MSB 1 -> LSB 1 and the value range is 0 to 25

I offset the notes by 1 so that if the param value is set to zero it automatically mutes the step which I though was a great way to save having muter controls as well

Once you've set one up you'll get it if you haven't used RPN/NRPNs before? I hope all controllers support them, my X-station does and leaves all those precious CCs for other stuff.

I've messed with assigning the nrpns of my mopho but with mixed results. I have data entry msb min and max value boxes for my A300 Pro so what would i input there, 0 and 1,2 and so on for each step? Cheers.

[Astralp]

Is there an LSB as well?

I'll do a quick release so you can have a play, give me 10 mins..

[Astralp]

BETA 29
* Fixed Default Notes being an octave too high
* Default Velocity is now 120
* Note Randomize could go a note too high
* RPN Control system in place for controlling (almost) everything on the Sequence page for the currently selected sequence.
* Changed Tempo storage to an index, should be backwards compatible.

TJ if you haven't got LSB as well let me know, and check to see if NRPN has both msb and lsb. It's similar to bank/program change, 3 CC values are sent that represent the index MSB CC101/LSB cc100 and then the actual parameter which uses CC6 (Data Slider).

[musikmachine]

Oops yeah rpn lsb. When i try to assign nrpns on the mopho with my A300 pro it usually ends up controlling something else. It was explained to me by someone at DSI but in a slightly different format involving hex!

So i kinda shied away from it. Your description is a lot simpler. Does automap use nrpns?

[Astralp]

Oops yeah rpn lsb. When i try to assign nrpns on the mopho with my A300 pro it usually ends up controlling something else. It was explained to me by someone at DSI but in a slightly different format involving hex!

haha, well controllers tend to paint it a prettier colour thankfully, at least the X-station and the BCR2000 so I would guess it's pretty standard

It is just like bank/program selecting from a user point of view, so if you stick with that idea you'll be right. They're greatr because they offer a lot of controls but it's 3 CC messages each time compared to 1 when using a standard CC so they use a lot more bandwidth and so not so good for modulating with the CC Sequencers.

Does automap use nrpns?

Not sure but I would be surprised if not, but you want RPNS for this stuff, I use NRPNs for the mixer knobs They are basically the same as each other but use different MSB/LSB indexes.

btw the list of params is in the manual under the CC assignment page if you haven't found it already.

[Janusz Grzybek]

Hi Andy,

Seems to me that i found small bug in GUI. "Not Found" labels for CC3 and CC4 in Midi Mixer are wrapped and overlapped. Here is screenshot.

Janusz

[Astralp]

I've actually just realised that I was part way through some re-structuring when I saved the last beta out, best stick with the previous unless specifically interested in testing the RPN stuff, sorry about that!

I've put beta 28 back up for those that want it.

[musikmachine]

Oops yeah rpn lsb. When i try to assign nrpns on the mopho with my A300 pro it usually ends up controlling something else. It was explained to me by someone at DSI but in a slightly different format involving hex!

haha, well controllers tend to paint it a prettier colour thankfully, at least the X-station and the BCR2000 so I would guess it's pretty standard

It is just like bank/program selecting from a user point of view, so if you stick with that idea you'll be right. They're greatr because they offer a lot of controls but it's 3 CC messages each time compared to 1 when using a standard CC so they use a lot more bandwidth and so not so good for modulating with the CC Sequencers.

Does automap use nrpns?

Not sure but I would be surprised if not, but you want RPNS for this stuff, I use NRPNs for the mixer knobs They are basically the same as each other but use different MSB/LSB indexes.

btw the list of params is in the manual under the CC assignment page if you haven't found it already.

Actually that's pretty straightforward, the way it was explained made it sound really complex.

And i know where i was going wrong with the mopho, there are four columns, the first says param which i thought was the nrpn lsb! But if i leave that set to 0 and insert the nrpn value in the nrpn lsb it works. Excellent!

Anyway thanks for the 101, i know where to ask in future.

I've assigned a couple of steps int Vortex, so far so good. I just saw your post about the beta, should i switch back or will it be back up soon? Cheers!